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Rob Gavin

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got another evening at the workshop last night. I got a few things sorted which i'm happy to see progress with.

one issue I've been looking at is the oil cooler. The car originally had the custom rad and cooler sitting side by side at the front, however I needed to centralise the rad to allow the nee intercooler to fit in front, loosing the area for the cooler with a combination of the lack of space and intercooler pipework.

After a bit of head scratching last night Keith and I worked out we could squeeze something in below the rad, possibly up to 60mm, which would give a direct airflow and out the way of any risk of damage, however all the aftermarket coolers have the connections on the top of the cooler whereas i'd need them on the side or back.

In my daydreaming, the car is going to be a hill climber/ sprint car, with perhaps the odd track day.

so my queries are:

1) can anyone suggest a reasonably priced manufacturer I could look at for the new cooler that would suit?
2) anyone have any ideas on an OE cooler I could explore?
3) given the relative short running times the car is going to endure, should I remove it for now? (the track days are perhaps my worry with this)

cheers

Rob


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Look for power steering fluid coolers. Brother had a mk 2 mondeo td which had a wide one maybe 50mm tall with connections either at both ends or piped back to one end with a long tube.

On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it

*hehe!*


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On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it

*hehe!*


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The other option I've been looking as is the screw on type that fit on the filter housing and are cooled by water.

You just need one with the right thread.

I'm really struggling with oil temps in my Nimbus (rear engine). There is limited air flow to the cooler, so considering the water route.

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I'd also suggest the water intercooler type.

If you can get hold of a (normally aspirated) MG Metro one in good condition, it's a straight fit in a Metro shell (no subframe clearance issues like in a Mini) right down to the MG Metro hoses.

Problem is most of them have fairly corroded pipe stubs because of their age and people not using proper antifreeze/inhibitors in the coolant in the past.

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We had one on the van for a while. Wasn't very effective.


On 17th Jan, 2016 Rod S said:
I'd also suggest the water intercooler type.

If you can get hold of a (normally aspirated) MG Metro one in good condition, it's a straight fit in a Metro shell (no subframe clearance issues like in a Mini) right down to the MG Metro hoses.

Problem is most of them have fairly corroded pipe stubs because of their age and people not using proper antifreeze/inhibitors in the coolant in the past.

If something is worth doing, it's worth doing half of.


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If using anything other than an oil cooler etc...ie PAS cooler, just make sure it is designed for the pressures involved. PAS or auto tans coolers are always installed on the low pressure return line so may not ever have been designed to run at say 100psi

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On 17th Jan, 2016 John said:
We had one on the van for a while. Wasn't very effective.


Possibly crud on the inside of the water ways, I've never seen one of these in really good condition (aka corroded pipe stubs).

Compared to a modern OEM fitment (an awful lot of cars use them now to maintain a stable oil temperature for emission control reasons) the MG Metro one is a reasonable size, the one on my 2.0l Mondeo isn't much bigger.

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Rover k-series turbo oil cooler? Water style could be made to fit.

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Rob Gavin

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Cheers guys. I had thought about the water cooled route but wasnt sure it would provide enough cooling. I suppose it would be better than nothing. I would need to see how it would fit up though as i have a spacer block fitted for the turbo feed


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i have some like these laying in the shed. come from a mg metro's
thats the suggestion if i read correct yes?

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On 17th Jan, 2016 John said:
We had one on the van for a while. Wasn't very effective.


On 17th Jan, 2016 Rod S said:
I'd also suggest the water intercooler type.

If you can get hold of a (normally aspirated) MG Metro one in good condition, it's a straight fit in a Metro shell (no subframe clearance issues like in a Mini) right down to the MG Metro hoses.

Problem is most of them have fairly corroded pipe stubs because of their age and people not using proper antifreeze/inhibitors in the coolant in the past.


It heated the coolant rather than cooling the oil. Stubs weren't bad, just a little bit of damage on the very ends. Water flowed through it well enough.

On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it

*hehe!*


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that's the one Rammie; the actual car is also in the photos about 5 or 6 lines down too!


On 17th Jan, 2016 Rammie2000 said:
i have some like these laying in the shed. come from a mg metro's
thats the suggestion if i read correct yes?

https://www.google.be/search?q=oil+to+water...unA9a9WqtT_M%3A


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I did wonder; going to do some more research; also going to find out how much a bespoke one would be; it may not be as much as I think in the big picture



On 17th Jan, 2016 apbellamy said:

On 17th Jan, 2016 John said:
We had one on the van for a while. Wasn't very effective.


On 17th Jan, 2016 Rod S said:
I'd also suggest the water intercooler type.

If you can get hold of a (normally aspirated) MG Metro one in good condition, it's a straight fit in a Metro shell (no subframe clearance issues like in a Mini) right down to the MG Metro hoses.

Problem is most of them have fairly corroded pipe stubs because of their age and people not using proper antifreeze/inhibitors in the coolant in the past.


It heated the coolant rather than cooling the oil. Stubs weren't bad, just a little bit of damage on the very ends. Water flowed through it well enough.


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thinking I could possibly make space for this;
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121418444122?_tr...K%3AMEBIDX%3AIT


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do these work well?

you can do anything if you set your mind to it...
i rather blow it up winning than keep it together losing.

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Ive got the MG metro modine oil cooler on my metro turbo and it can't cope with motorway runs. The oil temp creeps up to 120C. A rad type cooler will be going back on.


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well that confirms it then


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I think that is the same one from the van.

On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it

*hehe!*


Rob Gavin

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missed this earlier; also a possibility. perhaps not as efficient as the traditional oil cooler though, particularly if the oil is running through at pressure. I could see it working on low pressure though


On 17th Jan, 2016 apbellamy said:
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On 17th Jan, 2016 apbellamy said:

On 17th Jan, 2016 John said:
We had one on the van for a while. Wasn't very effective.


On 17th Jan, 2016 Rod S said:
I'd also suggest the water intercooler type.

If you can get hold of a (normally aspirated) MG Metro one in good condition, it's a straight fit in a Metro shell (no subframe clearance issues like in a Mini) right down to the MG Metro hoses.

Problem is most of them have fairly corroded pipe stubs because of their age and people not using proper antifreeze/inhibitors in the coolant in the past.


It heated the coolant rather than cooling the oil. Stubs weren't bad, just a little bit of damage on the very ends. Water flowed through it well enough.


Strictly speaking by heating the coolant, it will have drawn some heat from the oil, as it is designed to do.

But if your water cooling system is already struggling, giving it more heat to cope with isnt good.
And given the temperature difference between the two to start with, coolant based head exchangers are never going to be as efficient, and you'd want them plumbed into water which has already been cooled by the radiator.

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They are fed from the bottom hose and return through the heater matrix.

On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it

*hehe!*


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ROB I have a Peugeot 306D you could have for the cost of postage,but, like that Mercedes one I think it will be too big.


Rob Gavin

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I've just been having a look on google but it was only coming up with the water cooler ones. Is is an air cooler? would be interested to see what it looks like


On 17th Jan, 2016 tadge44 said:
ROB I have a Peugeot 306D you could have for the cost of postage,but, like that Mercedes one I think it will be too big.


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I put an oil cooler on mine because oil temps were 120 at 60mph
Mine went behind the head light because thats only place I had, with a tiny duct to it brought the temps down to a steady 95 at 70-80mph
I think it was a 9 row and cost sub £60 inc pipes from p&l minis ( local minispares stockists)

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