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 1434 Posts Member #: 8466 Post Whore Mansfield |
17th Dec, 2015 at 10:46:09am
I think is about time I explore the world of megasquirt and tuner. I've always stuck to DTA and had a few engines running with the Typhoon ECU from specialist conponents.
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 6549 Posts Member #: 1149 #1 Basshunter Fan Force Racing ICT Dept Manager Miglia Turbo Am frum Yokshyer tha noes! |
17th Dec, 2015 at 01:19:25pm
Pulled from trigger wheels site
1/4 Mile 14.3secs 96Mph Terminal 10psi of boost.
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6549 Posts Member #: 1149 #1 Basshunter Fan Force Racing ICT Dept Manager Miglia Turbo Am frum Yokshyer tha noes! |
17th Dec, 2015 at 01:43:33pm
Youll need an ignition Driver mate
1/4 Mile 14.3secs 96Mph Terminal 10psi of boost.
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6549 Posts Member #: 1149 #1 Basshunter Fan Force Racing ICT Dept Manager Miglia Turbo Am frum Yokshyer tha noes! |
17th Dec, 2015 at 01:51:56pm
Think VAG turbo engines have them but i could be wrong. 1/4 Mile 14.3secs 96Mph Terminal 10psi of boost.
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1267 Posts Member #: 831 Post Whore Montreal, Canada |
17th Dec, 2015 at 04:33:17pm
You can run coil on plugs sequentially if you use the MS2/Extra code: http://www.msextra.com/doc/pdf/html/Micros...are-3.4-58.html
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1434 Posts Member #: 8466 Post Whore Mansfield |
17th Dec, 2015 at 07:03:52pm
Thanks guys, looks like I've got some reading up to do. Would you advise maybe looking at upgrading to full Ms2 or 3? I'd love to have a go at full sequential fuelling. But then I've got to find a solution for a cam sensor. Class C 3rd Place Avon 2011 14.18 @101mph |
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Site Admin  15300 Posts Member #: 337 Fearless Tom Fenton, Avon Park 2007 & 2008 class D winner & TM legend. |
17th Dec, 2015 at 07:06:12pm
My personal opinion, why make life difficult, buy an Emerald Omex DTA wire it in take it for mapping job done!
On 29th Nov, 2016 madmk1 said:
On 28th Nov, 2016 Rob Gavin said:
I refuse to pay for anything else Like fuel 😂😂 |
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1267 Posts Member #: 831 Post Whore Montreal, Canada |
17th Dec, 2015 at 07:52:43pm
On 17th Dec, 2015 Tom Fenton said:
My personal opinion, why make life difficult, buy an Emerald Omex DTA wire it in take it for mapping job done! You can do the same with a Megasquirt/Microsquirt. |
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Site Admin 15300 Posts Member #: 337 Fearless Tom Fenton, Avon Park 2007 & 2008 class D winner & TM legend. |
17th Dec, 2015 at 09:17:03pm
But just look above, a simple change that the proprietory ECU's can deal with, and straight away we are talking about adding components to do this and that. Electronics doesn't interest me, driving the finished product does. Edited by Tom Fenton on 17th Dec, 2015.
On 29th Nov, 2016 madmk1 said:
On 28th Nov, 2016 Rob Gavin said:
I refuse to pay for anything else Like fuel 😂😂 |
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 4890 Posts Member #: 1775 Post Whore Chester |
17th Dec, 2015 at 09:49:56pm
Got to agree with Tom. The world has moved on, I have spent my life in the computer industry, and I couldn't be bothered with all the research, it's all about out of the box features. I run a supercharger and I don't care the TB is on the wrong side.
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1267 Posts Member #: 831 Post Whore Montreal, Canada |
17th Dec, 2015 at 10:05:34pm
On 17th Dec, 2015 gr4h4m said:
Got to agree with Tom. The world has moved on, I have spent my life in the computer industry, and I couldn't be bothered with all the research, it's all about out of the box features. Then how do you choose the ECU to use for the feature you need? You do need to do some research. That's the same for Megasquirt. You have out of the box features that are different depending on the model you choose from the Microsquirt all the way to the MS3Pro. And then you have added options if you want to learn more and do more with the lower end units. That's not a problem but an added feature. And there's the additional benefit of not depending on someone else for anything related to the ECU and saving the associated expenses. Look at Paul S latest build. His effort is not spent on the ECU but on the wiring and the engine and its components. And he uses a standard MS3/MS3x with no modification that you can buy fully assembled (or assemble yourself). |
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3588 Posts Member #: 655 Post Whore Northern Ireland |
17th Dec, 2015 at 11:18:36pm
On 17th Dec, 2015 alaskanow0 said:
Thanks guys, looks like I've got some reading up to do. Would you advise maybe looking at upgrading to full Ms2 or 3? I'd love to have a go at full sequential fuelling. But then I've got to find a solution for a cam sensor. No dizzy fitted at all ? It's the obvious solution for a phase sensor....as that's what it does. If a single tooth is needed only a small mod would be needed to make that happen. 9.85 @ 145mph
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 1767 Posts Member #: 9165 Previously josh4444 Australia, brisbane |
17th Dec, 2015 at 11:39:22pm
i used LS coils as they have the control gear inside them all they need is key on power ground and signal from the ecu to fire them off
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1434 Posts Member #: 8466 Post Whore Mansfield |
18th Dec, 2015 at 08:56:45am
On 17th Dec, 2015 stevieturbo said:
On 17th Dec, 2015 alaskanow0 said:
Thanks guys, looks like I've got some reading up to do. Would you advise maybe looking at upgrading to full Ms2 or 3? I'd love to have a go at full sequential fuelling. But then I've got to find a solution for a cam sensor. No dizzy fitted at all ? It's the obvious solution for a phase sensor....as that's what it does. If a single tooth is needed only a small mod would be needed to make that happen. Yep, the dizzy would be a good option. In conclusion I think if I'm going to shell out for another Ecu, I do want something that's got all the options on board. Ie ign drivers, sequential, Loads of inputs ie knock, EGT etc. I already have a spare Typhoon ECU and loom, that I can reconfigure the loom for a cam sensor, sequential fuel and ignition. Plus a Boost control Valve. However I'm considering offering this as part of the deal when I sell my 7 port turbo engine, along with manifolds, turbo etc. I was also looking at the Emerald K6, seems a nice bit of kit and the software looks really good. The other main advantage of the K6 is dual or tripple map function for different boost modes that still allows me to map the torque curve for smooth power delivery, wheel spin, boost v gear etc. Ive always stayed away from mega squirt, as it appears too confusing and too technical, but I do feel I should take the time to get to grips with it. I guess it forces you to really understand how the thing works. It does look a Cheaper option (ms3), but still over £500 plus loom, sensors, coils etc. Are engine mappers OK with MS, everywhere I have been in the past have knocked its credibility. That said I've mapped my own last 2 EFI projects with a DTA S40 with near perfect results. Mainly on the road for fuelling, but ignition on my mates rolling road. (He's doesn't do any EFI, not even Mega Jolt). However these were only wasted spark and batch / semi sequential. No cam sensor / injection angle. Class C 3rd Place Avon 2011 14.18 @101mph |
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 9502 Posts Member #: 1023 Post Whore Doncaster, South Yorkshire |
18th Dec, 2015 at 09:25:51am
i only touch the microsquirt if i have to, it seems like an half assed attempt at making a plug / wire in pre build ecu, go for ms2v3 or ms3(x) if you want to build, learn and play about with electronics all the time
Edited by Brett on 18th Dec, 2015. Yes i moved to the darkside |
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1434 Posts Member #: 8466 Post Whore Mansfield |
18th Dec, 2015 at 09:45:40am
That's enough for me Brett.
Class C 3rd Place Avon 2011 14.18 @101mph |
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3588 Posts Member #: 655 Post Whore Northern Ireland |
18th Dec, 2015 at 01:51:39pm
Whilst it may seem expensive...if you want one box that does everything, buy a Syvecs.
9.85 @ 145mph
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3588 Posts Member #: 655 Post Whore Northern Ireland |
18th Dec, 2015 at 01:54:36pm
On 18th Dec, 2015 Brett said:
i only touch the microsquirt if i have to, it seems like an half assed attempt at making a plug / wire in pre build ecu, go for ms2v3 or ms3(x) if you want to build, learn and play about with electronics all the time or like i did for the skyline ditch the ms3x for an apexi ( dta, motec, link, what ever branded) ecu Matt at DIYAutotune sells them fully complete, he even offers some PnP units for cars now too. Still not for me, but he does seem to do a very good job. http://www.diyautotune.com/catalog/megasqu...plete-c-25.html http://www.diyautotune.com/catalog/megasquirtpnp-c-40.html 9.85 @ 145mph
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 6965 Posts Member #: 507 Fastest A Series Mini in the World leeds/wakefield. |
18th Dec, 2015 at 07:22:49pm
I've noticed,lol
On 17th Dec, 2015 Tom Fenton said:
But just look above, a simple change that the proprietory ECU's can deal with, and straight away we are talking about adding components to do this and that. Electronics doesn't interest me, driving the finished product does. |
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1267 Posts Member #: 831 Post Whore Montreal, Canada |
18th Dec, 2015 at 07:43:43pm
I don't care if people choose a Megasquirt or any other ECU but at least you should know what you're talking about. What was mentioned here is an external ignition driver module. Some OEM ECUs use them so it's not something exceptional. It's even a good thing for noise protection. And you can get a standard Bosch module that will work just fine.
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 (2)[/url] by [url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/150672766@N03/]Rod Sugden[/url], on Fli) 5988 Posts Member #: 2024 Formally Retired Rural Suffolk |
18th Dec, 2015 at 08:29:27pm
On 18th Dec, 2015 jbelanger said:
Many people here use and recommend Megajolt and no one finds it strange that you need an external EDIS module. That's a very similar thing. Some people seem to have a mental block with anything related to Megasquirt. So true Jean, that's why most of us who use the Megasquirt products no longer bother to post anything about them on this forum. The majority on the forum prefer to use a last millenium based EDIS system that is basically...... (work it out for yourselves). From the original question, On 17th Dec, 2015 alaskanow0 said:
I think is about time I explore the world of megasquirt and tuner. I've always stuck to DTA and had a few engines running with the Typhoon ECU from specialist conponents. However for my Nissan CG13De (turbo) built am going to try my hand at the mircasquirt ECU. I understand it's not as compressive as the other options but, should do all I need. I'd really like to get to grips with the Tuner Studio software (I feel I'm missing out somehow) I think what you are missing out on really is some sensible answers. Of course it can do what you want but there will inevitably be some DIY involved. But unless someone markets an ECU that plugs straight into the "Nissan CG13De (turbo)" wiring loom and comes with a base map for whatever you have planned and a recommended rolling road near you with people familiar with that ECU and that map to do the final setup, what do you expect ??? If you want to get to grips with it yourself (your words) don't be put of by the naysayers. TunerStudio, although I've critisiced certain aspects of it in the past, is probably the best interface for any individual user who wants to do their own tune. Just do a search on the SC software on this forum alone to see how many find it hard to use. Personally I wouldn't use the microsquirt, although it can do what you want I would stick with the basic MS2 but that does involve DIY for what you want. If you want to minimise DIY, then an MS3/MS3X. Just my thoughts. Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ??? |
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1434 Posts Member #: 8466 Post Whore Mansfield |
18th Dec, 2015 at 09:01:45pm
Ok guys, never meant to offend anybody.
Class C 3rd Place Avon 2011 14.18 @101mph |
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5988 Posts Member #: 2024 Formally Retired Rural Suffolk |
18th Dec, 2015 at 11:24:44pm
No offence taken (or intended towards you).
Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ??? |
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Site Admin 15300 Posts Member #: 337 Fearless Tom Fenton, Avon Park 2007 & 2008 class D winner & TM legend. |
18th Dec, 2015 at 11:59:49pm
Why are people with a different opinion a naysayer? Just because my opinion is different to yours, it is no more or no less valid.
On 29th Nov, 2016 madmk1 said:
On 28th Nov, 2016 Rob Gavin said:
I refuse to pay for anything else Like fuel 😂😂 |
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1267 Posts Member #: 831 Post Whore Montreal, Canada |
19th Dec, 2015 at 12:33:01am
Facts can validate an opinion. Misunderstandings will not. |
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