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Site Admin 9403 Posts Member #: 58 455bhp per ton 12 sec 1/4 mile road legal mini Sunny Bridgend, South Wales |
20th Oct, 2015 at 11:13:15am
I have a fuel filter like this: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bosch-0450905021...=item58a83f1260
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On 15th May, 2009 TurboDave said:
I think the welsh one has it right! 1st to provide running proof of turbo twinkie in a car and first to run a 1/4 in one!! Is your data backed up?? directbackup.net one extra month free for all Turbo minis members, PM me for detials |
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8604 Posts Member #: 573 Formerly Axel Podland |
20th Oct, 2015 at 11:49:18am
That is a bit fine for pre-pump use.
Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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2094 Posts Member #: 9894 Post Whore Dorking |
20th Oct, 2015 at 12:34:22pm
I use these. Flow rate doesn't change between the 30 and the 100 micron. So I went for 30 pre and 30 at the carb.
Edited by jonny f on 20th Oct, 2015. |
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Site Admin 15300 Posts Member #: 337 Fearless Tom Fenton, Avon Park 2007 & 2008 class D winner & TM legend. |
20th Oct, 2015 at 01:37:57pm
I ran out of fuel flow on those Torques filters on a 205 turbo (injected, 3bar fuel pressure) at about 190 horse, so just be careful.
On 29th Nov, 2016 madmk1 said:
On 28th Nov, 2016 Rob Gavin said:
I refuse to pay for anything else Like fuel 😂😂 |
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2094 Posts Member #: 9894 Post Whore Dorking |
20th Oct, 2015 at 06:27:24pm
Interesting, it get blocked up?
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7265 Posts Member #: 1268 The Boom Boom speaker Police! Essex |
20th Oct, 2015 at 07:02:35pm
Interesting Tom. Was that with it after the pump?
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Site Admin 15300 Posts Member #: 337 Fearless Tom Fenton, Avon Park 2007 & 2008 class D winner & TM legend. |
20th Oct, 2015 at 07:33:40pm
It didn't block, it just restricted flow. The car was plumbed in an6 fittings so we were able to easily plumb in a pressure sensor and the log fuel pressure alongside everything else. Pressure kept dropping off at higher revs but not consistantly. I thought the pump was suspect so we pulled it off the rollers. However as soon as John Sleath saw the fuel filter he said "I bet that's it". Drove car home, it was leaning out and misbehaving. Changed filter and tried it, it didn't lean out then. Changed the pump more as a precaution really.
On 29th Nov, 2016 madmk1 said:
On 28th Nov, 2016 Rob Gavin said:
I refuse to pay for anything else Like fuel 😂😂 |
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Site Admin 15300 Posts Member #: 337 Fearless Tom Fenton, Avon Park 2007 & 2008 class D winner & TM legend. |
20th Oct, 2015 at 07:34:35pm
To add, yes Gary after pump before fuel rail. 205 is in tank pump with a strainer built into the pump cartridge inside the tank.
On 29th Nov, 2016 madmk1 said:
On 28th Nov, 2016 Rob Gavin said:
I refuse to pay for anything else Like fuel 😂😂 |
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7265 Posts Member #: 1268 The Boom Boom speaker Police! Essex |
20th Oct, 2015 at 08:51:08pm
Same as mine now then.
In the 13's at last!.. Just |
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3588 Posts Member #: 655 Post Whore Northern Ireland |
20th Oct, 2015 at 10:54:05pm
Dont forget, it's a hell of a lot easier to pump through the filter as the pump is designed to pump, than for gravity to feed fuel to the pump.
9.85 @ 145mph
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2094 Posts Member #: 9894 Post Whore Dorking |
21st Oct, 2015 at 07:52:40am
Bugger haha. I better buy something else. |
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Site Admin 9403 Posts Member #: 58 455bhp per ton 12 sec 1/4 mile road legal mini Sunny Bridgend, South Wales |
21st Oct, 2015 at 08:17:39am
Thanks for the advice guys. maybe I should just rely on the inbuilt filter in my facet lift pump as a pre filter Team www.sheepspeed.com Racing
On 15th May, 2009 TurboDave said:
I think the welsh one has it right! 1st to provide running proof of turbo twinkie in a car and first to run a 1/4 in one!! Is your data backed up?? directbackup.net one extra month free for all Turbo minis members, PM me for detials |
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1767 Posts Member #: 9165 Previously josh4444 Australia, brisbane |
21st Oct, 2015 at 09:08:17am
what about two filter in parallel twice the filter area ? |
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8604 Posts Member #: 573 Formerly Axel Podland |
21st Oct, 2015 at 09:25:45am
Just to be clear, are we talking about these filters:
Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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3004 Posts Member #: 2500 Post Whore Buckinghamshire |
21st Oct, 2015 at 10:57:48am
I bow to superior knowledge on flow rates etc and the restriction they might pose to high power but I use one of those Bosch filters before the pump. I feel it is a good idea to protect the pump.
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3588 Posts Member #: 655 Post Whore Northern Ireland |
21st Oct, 2015 at 11:07:23am
On 21st Oct, 2015 Paul S said:
Just to be clear, are we talking about these filters: https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/sytec-...ils-inj-filt-f1 or these: https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/sytec-...filter-ff-inl-5 I wouldnt use either of them pre-pump. 9.85 @ 145mph
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8604 Posts Member #: 573 Formerly Axel Podland |
21st Oct, 2015 at 03:19:56pm
How about this one?
Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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11046 Posts Member #: 965 Post Whore Preston On The Brook |
21st Oct, 2015 at 09:56:09pm
Whats wrong with the throw away cans? On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be... So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'... On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........ |
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11046 Posts Member #: 965 Post Whore Preston On The Brook |
21st Oct, 2015 at 10:03:23pm
I'd personally use a strainer on the tank pickup and a freely available disposable filter from your choice of mass produced vehicle, fitted after the pump.
On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be... So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'... On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........ |
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Site Admin 15300 Posts Member #: 337 Fearless Tom Fenton, Avon Park 2007 & 2008 class D winner & TM legend. |
21st Oct, 2015 at 10:08:37pm
Sprock, that's what I used on the car above. A throwaway canister filter with s couple of male/male adaptor a from 14x1.5 to AN-6.
On 29th Nov, 2016 madmk1 said:
On 28th Nov, 2016 Rob Gavin said:
I refuse to pay for anything else Like fuel 😂😂 |
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3588 Posts Member #: 655 Post Whore Northern Ireland |
21st Oct, 2015 at 10:16:22pm
On 21st Oct, 2015 Paul S said:
How about this one? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AEROMOTIVE-AN-6-...FcAAOxy2d9SZRfX Only £150...... I used one of those in front of my 044's for a few years with no problems, with just the 100 micron only. The same filter is now on a friends car and been racing it for 2 years with no issues. About 3 years ago I changed to a pair of the 40 micron Holley filters, one before each pump. ie this type, cheaper too. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/331519827297?_tr...K%3AMEBIDX%3AIT With both I've never had any injector problems or filtration issues. On the other hand, another friend has a pair of these claiming to be 30 micron each....so should be quite fine on their own. Filter is huge, as is the stainless mesh element inside. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/12-JIC-12-ORB-12...=item27c9be42e2 So far it has now clogged up about 4 sets of injectors. IMO there is no way in hell they're filtering anything near 30 microns..and I'd struggle to believe they'll even do 100 micron. Given the large flow of the Holley/Aeromotive types I'd think even a 10 micron in front of the pump would pose no issues at all. And certainly about 17 years ago when I first fitted an Aeromotive pump/filter to my car I did use the paper 10 micron filter pre-pump, and did for a few years before I realise people said not to do this. It never presented any problems for me though. If you want to buy UK Earls sell the Holley stuff although given their vast range they might need to order your specific needs in. Edited by stevieturbo on 21st Oct, 2015. 9.85 @ 145mph
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5329 Posts Member #: 140 Proven 200+bhp & Avon Park 05,06,07 Class D 3rd place |
6th Feb, 2016 at 10:45:38am
Jim, you could just use 2 paper cheap as chips filters the ones you get on the metro and other old cars. Just like I use. Best 1/4 mile 13.2 seconds @116 mph
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696 Posts Member #: 10034 Post Whore Birmingham |
6th Feb, 2016 at 02:07:13pm
On 21st Oct, 2015 Sprocket said:
I'd personally use a strainer on the tank pickup and a freely available disposable filter from your choice of mass produced vehicle, fitted after the pump. The strainer protects the pump from debris, and the filter protects the pressure regulator and injectors. ↑ Exactly this↑ A pump can create several bar of positive pressure at its output, but can never suck more than 1 bar, after which, cavitation occurs. Replace the strainer with a finer (more restrictive) filter and you're asking for trouble (also, the post-pump filter is now redundant). It may function, but it's just not designed to work like that. I measured the flow rate of my fuel system... Standard unbranded filter (15k miles), 7mm fuel lines, SPI pump after (95k miles), 1 Bar regulator. Flow rate is 1700cc/min... That's good for 250bhp. If most road cars can clock up countless miles with average filters, irregular servicing and unknown fuel quality, it doesn't matter whether you can buy a finer filter - it's not needed. |
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3588 Posts Member #: 655 Post Whore Northern Ireland |
6th Feb, 2016 at 03:38:23pm
On 6th Feb, 2016 PhilR said:
On 21st Oct, 2015 Sprocket said:
I'd personally use a strainer on the tank pickup and a freely available disposable filter from your choice of mass produced vehicle, fitted after the pump. The strainer protects the pump from debris, and the filter protects the pressure regulator and injectors. ↑ Exactly this↑ A pump can create several bar of positive pressure at its output, but can never suck more than 1 bar, after which, cavitation occurs. Replace the strainer with a finer (more restrictive) filter and you're asking for trouble (also, the post-pump filter is now redundant). It may function, but it's just not designed to work like that. I measured the flow rate of my fuel system... Standard unbranded filter (15k miles), 7mm fuel lines, SPI pump after (95k miles), 1 Bar regulator. Flow rate is 1700cc/min... That's good for 250bhp. If most road cars can clock up countless miles with average filters, irregular servicing and unknown fuel quality, it doesn't matter whether you can buy a finer filter - it's not needed. OEM filters will usually filter down to a very low level, 10 microns or so anyway so do tend to be very good quality. And as you say almost any OEM filter these days will cope with 200hp or more without any concerns at all. Subaru external filters are tiny, 8mm push on barbs and will easily handle 4-500hp. And aftermarket ones are cheap. But some injectors are definitely more fussy than others with regards filtration...of course as my previous comments about some aftermarket filters...there is no way some of them filter to the level they claim either. OEM will nearly always be good and often better than aftermarket in that respect 9.85 @ 145mph
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1648 Posts Member #: 9038 Post Whore Carlisle, Cumbria |
6th Feb, 2016 at 03:51:43pm
Think I've got oem filter off a focus, I think turbo Dave mentioned it was what he used so just went with the same or similar. |
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