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 143 Posts Member #: 2764 Advanced Member Halesowen |
1st May, 2014 at 12:49:38pm
When I build the turbo engine, as it will be a (nearly) daily driver, I was thinking of running an AFR gauge - partly for initial setup, but also for monitoring purposes to alert me to any problems before they cause damage.
1994 Mini Mayfair, 1330, Mspd Ph2 cam, Benross turbo head, 9:1, GT1752, TT Intercooler, MegaJolt, BMW M3 leather seats. |
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 1425 Posts Member #: 9199 Post Whore Lancashire |
1st May, 2014 at 12:52:16pm
Best with the wideband.
What the mind can conceive the mini can achieve
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143 Posts Member #: 2764 Advanced Member Halesowen |
1st May, 2014 at 01:13:54pm
Wow, that's really not cheap is it?
1994 Mini Mayfair, 1330, Mspd Ph2 cam, Benross turbo head, 9:1, GT1752, TT Intercooler, MegaJolt, BMW M3 leather seats. |
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 1030 Posts Member #: 1291 Post Whore Suffolk / Birmingham |
1st May, 2014 at 01:43:37pm
For it to be any real use you need a wide band. |
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 9502 Posts Member #: 1023 Post Whore Doncaster, South Yorkshire |
1st May, 2014 at 02:57:27pm
Forget all gauges if your doing any type of setting up or tweaking you need a wideband afr gauge anything else is risking it
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1267 Posts Member #: 831 Post Whore Montreal, Canada |
1st May, 2014 at 04:02:27pm
Have a look at this: http://www.14point7.com/products/slc-free |
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 4629 Posts Member #: 20 My sister is so fit I won't show anyone her picture Lake District |
1st May, 2014 at 05:36:00pm
A narrowband is better than nothing at all, but for £150 I'd say a wideband was a cheap investment to protect you from a potentially very expensive engine rebuild.
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 3673 Posts Member #: 9300 Post Whore Quarry Bonk |
1st May, 2014 at 05:56:32pm
AEM or Innovate wideband would be possibly the only two I'd ever fit mate On 26th Jan, 2012 Tom Fenton said:
ring problems are down to wear or abuse but although annoying it isn't a show stopper On 5th Aug, 2014 madmk1 said:
Shit the bed! I had snapped the end of my shaft off!! 17.213 @ 71mph, 64bhp n/a (Old Engine) |
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3673 Posts Member #: 9300 Post Whore Quarry Bonk |
1st May, 2014 at 06:01:06pm
That's an interesting piece of kit Jean, is this something that has been tested and proven? Wouldn't take much to dash mount this or even put it in a plastic enclosure. Much cheaper than anything else on the market too.
On 1st May, 2014 jbelanger said:
Have a look at this: http://www.14point7.com/products/slc-free On 26th Jan, 2012 Tom Fenton said:
ring problems are down to wear or abuse but although annoying it isn't a show stopper On 5th Aug, 2014 madmk1 said:
Shit the bed! I had snapped the end of my shaft off!! 17.213 @ 71mph, 64bhp n/a (Old Engine) |
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1267 Posts Member #: 831 Post Whore Montreal, Canada |
1st May, 2014 at 06:09:05pm
On 1st May, 2014 Carlzilla said:
AEM or Innovate wideband would be possibly the only two I'd ever fit mate There are many people who would disagree with you and you can find people who will say bad things about all wideband controllers made. So unless you have made tests with calibration gases, I would be careful about recommending one over the other. The AEM may be easy to set but there are many reported issues about the AFR output values. And the Innovate has had many reliability issues and being picky with the sensor used. Having said that, these units would probably be fine in this case (but I would never personally use an AEM). The 14point7 units I linked to are also worth a look and I'm confident in their value but there might be delays in getting them. Jean |
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1267 Posts Member #: 831 Post Whore Montreal, Canada |
1st May, 2014 at 06:19:10pm
On 1st May, 2014 Carlzilla said:
That's an interesting piece of kit Jean, is this something that has been tested and proven? Wouldn't take much to dash mount this or even put it in a plastic enclosure. Much cheaper than anything else on the market too. On 1st May, 2014 jbelanger said: Have a look at this: http://www.14point7.com/products/slc-free I am not aware of independent reports about them since this is relatively new but from what I've seen from Alan To (the guy behind 14point7), it is based on technology used in some of his products with cheaper and easier to assemble components. It should be slightly less accurate than his SLC product mainly due to the DIY aspect but we're talking minimal amounts here in the order of 0.02 Lambda if I remember correctly. Alan tests all his units and has also tested many of his competitors with calibration gases and not some random test on an engine. So he can get repeatable results which shows how his products reliably give precise results with new and old sensors and how badly some other units do. Jean |
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3590 Posts Member #: 655 Post Whore Northern Ireland |
1st May, 2014 at 06:26:35pm
On 1st May, 2014 ian2000t said:
Wow, that's really not cheap is it? I actually don't have room for the gauge so was thinking of making something (although rather crude) to fit in the top dash rail ashtray: Something like this: http://sales.nightrider.com/narrow-band-afr-gauge.html http://www.redline.lt/293/diy-airfuel-rati...920&height=1080 Is it the gauge that is Narrow/Wide, or the sensor? Or both? Modern widebands arent cheap...they're an absolute bargain. Which is better than cheap. Anything narrowband related is a complete and utter waste of money for tuning purposes. 9.85 @ 145mph
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1267 Posts Member #: 831 Post Whore Montreal, Canada |
1st May, 2014 at 06:29:12pm
On 1st May, 2014 stevieturbo said:
Modern widebands arent cheap...they're an absolute bargain. Which is better than cheap. Anything narrowband related is a complete and utter waste of money for tuning purposes. Totally agree. |
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 (2)[/url] by [url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/150672766@N03/]Rod Sugden[/url], on Fli) 5988 Posts Member #: 2024 Formally Retired Rural Suffolk |
2nd May, 2014 at 11:41:53am
^^^^^
Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ??? |
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Forum Mod 10980 Posts Member #: 17 ***16*** SouthPark, Colorado |
2nd May, 2014 at 04:20:27pm
On 1st May, 2014 ian2000t said:
Wow, that's really not cheap is it? If you don't want to pony up the money for a wideband, I'd suggest a different hobby. Even if you buy one and put it on temporary bracket or even duct tape for the few days while setting up your car and shaking it down, it is worth every penny. Consider it as basically another tool in your inventory and no less important as a torque wrench, multimeter, or any other "investment". Honestly, I remember paying well over 150 quid for a narrow-band gauge back 15 years ago - but I sure as shit wasn't going to use a colourtune and therefore justify it at the time. The Wideband is the same jump from a narrow band, as the narrowband was from a colourtune (do they even still make those things?) Edited by TurboDave16V on 2nd May, 2014. On 17th Nov, 2014 Tom Fenton said:
Sorry to say My Herpes are no better Ready to feel Ancient ??? This is 26 years old as of 2022 https://youtu.be/YQQokcoOzeY |
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Forum Mod 10980 Posts Member #: 17 ***16*** SouthPark, Colorado |
2nd May, 2014 at 04:31:13pm
On 1st May, 2014 jbelanger said:
Have a look at this: http://www.14point7.com/products/slc-free Interesting - is the temp readout actually a realistic usable number for EGT, or is it moreso the temp in the sampling chamber, and just up there as a "information" output? Thinking for a non-turbo application where this could be used instead of thermocouples... On 17th Nov, 2014 Tom Fenton said:
Sorry to say My Herpes are no better Ready to feel Ancient ??? This is 26 years old as of 2022 https://youtu.be/YQQokcoOzeY |
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1267 Posts Member #: 831 Post Whore Montreal, Canada |
2nd May, 2014 at 04:48:53pm
The temperature is the sensor temperature. This needs to be in a specific range for the AFR value to mean anything. So that can't be used as an EGT.
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3590 Posts Member #: 655 Post Whore Northern Ireland |
3rd May, 2014 at 08:11:19am
On 2nd May, 2014 TurboDave16V said:
On 1st May, 2014 ian2000t said:
Wow, that's really not cheap is it? If you don't want to pony up the money for a wideband, I'd suggest a different hobby. Even if you buy one and put it on temporary bracket or even duct tape for the few days while setting up your car and shaking it down, it is worth every penny. Consider it as basically another tool in your inventory and no less important as a torque wrench, multimeter, or any other "investment". Honestly, I remember paying well over 150 quid for a narrow-band gauge back 15 years ago - but I sure as shit wasn't going to use a colourtune and therefore justify it at the time. The Wideband is the same jump from a narrow band, as the narrowband was from a colourtune (do they even still make those things?) I think it was around 96/97 I made my first narrowband display. It was from a cheap DIY kit. Obviously very limited, but still a help with tuning. Roll the turn of the millenia and widebands started to appear, DIY and otherwise. The DIY ones were still not cheap largely down to sensor cost. Relying on DIY build didnt always go well for me lol. I bought an FJO Wideband kit in 2001 and it cost around £600....so really...£150 these days is such a bagain. That said,13 years on I still have that same wideband unit in my car, albeit replaced a couple of sensors over the years. So even that purchase way back then was still good value overall. 9.85 @ 145mph
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 16540 Posts Member #: 4241 King Gaycharger, butt plug dealer, Sheldon Cooper and a BAC but generally a niceish fella if you dont mind a northerner Rotherham, South Yorkshire |
3rd May, 2014 at 08:23:19am
If the AFR gives you the ability to tune your own car, think how much money you'll save on rolling road time... On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it 
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 10022 Posts Member #: 1456 Mongo Barnsley, South Flatcapshire |
3rd May, 2014 at 08:44:41am
Saved us a fuck-ton with the van If something is worth doing, it's worth doing half of. |
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3590 Posts Member #: 655 Post Whore Northern Ireland |
3rd May, 2014 at 04:25:13pm
On 3rd May, 2014 apbellamy said:
If the AFR gives you the ability to tune your own car, think how much money you'll save on rolling road time... AFR just gives you some feedback to assist tuning the car... Some people could have 100 widebands and still not a fucking ounce what to do with them ! lol 9.85 @ 145mph
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16540 Posts Member #: 4241 King Gaycharger, butt plug dealer, Sheldon Cooper and a BAC but generally a niceish fella if you dont mind a northerner Rotherham, South Yorkshire |
3rd May, 2014 at 05:30:47pm
Common sense is priceless lol On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it
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3590 Posts Member #: 655 Post Whore Northern Ireland |
4th May, 2014 at 09:43:53am
On 3rd May, 2014 apbellamy said:
Common sense is priceless lol And here is a perfect example of how dumb some can be. And just in case any dumb people rad this. DO NOT BUY ANYTHING BASED AROUND A NARROWBAND SENSOR, ESPECIALLY THE OUTRAGEOUSLY PRICED PIECE OF SHIT WITH LED'S MENTIONED IN THE VIDEOS http://www.driftworks.com/forum/engine-dri...narrowband.html Some posts in the thread on pistonheads were removed. Advertising reasons I think, rather than the poster being a total fucktard. http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.a...wband&mid=27545 9.85 @ 145mph
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Forum Mod 10980 Posts Member #: 17 ***16*** SouthPark, Colorado |
4th May, 2014 at 12:40:44pm
wow. just wow... On 17th Nov, 2014 Tom Fenton said:
Sorry to say My Herpes are no better Ready to feel Ancient ??? This is 26 years old as of 2022 https://youtu.be/YQQokcoOzeY |
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 11046 Posts Member #: 965 Post Whore Preston On The Brook |
4th May, 2014 at 08:32:08pm
That looks like a total rip off of the Lumenition narrow band unit. Infact it cound just be a re branded unit, it's that similar!
On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be... So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'... On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........ |
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