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Can anybody tell me how to reduce a 12-14v volt down to a 0-5 volt signal to my Dta Ecu. When I activate nitrous in want the ecu to retard ignition.

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I'm not familiar with DTA but it must have a 5V out for all it's sensors.

If so, the simplest (but crude) way would be to use a small relay with a 12V coil to switch the ECU's own 5V back to the input line that you want to activate.

I assume this is just an on/off 5V signal you want ???

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Yes, just want a 5v on/off. The Dta does have 5v out. I was originally thinking using the circuit from a 5v in car mobile charger.

Edited by alaskanow0 on 19th Aug, 2012.

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Use the DTA's own 5V, not an external one - it's own one will be ground referenced within the ECU box.

External 5V sources won't be the same actual 5V (VCC or VRef) nor the same ground plane, so could compromise the ECU chip.

There are better ways than a relay but it depends if you want to start soldering transistors and the such like.

But a relay switching the ECU's own 5V is the simplest solution.

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Thanks Rod, relay it is.

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On 19th Aug, 2012 alaskanow0 said:
Can anybody tell me how to reduce a 12-14v volt down to a 0-5 volt signal to my Dta Ecu. When I activate nitrous in want the ecu to retard ignition.


Exactly how are you configuring this ?

You could use an Aux out on the DTA to actually trigger the nitrous ( via TPS, RPM, whatever ), and in doing so automatically apply any fuel/timing compensations in the relevant Aux out table.

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The way I controlled the nitrous was using a the ECU settings. The nitrous controller in the ECU is 'activated' by a toggle switch on the dash which simply grounds one of the digital inputs to the sensor ground. Most ECU digital inputs are 5v pull up internally so that when grounded it pulls the 5v to ground, thus it is either on or off. Above 90% TPS the ECU grounds the output that is connected to the progressive nitrous controller's activation input (normally the micro switch on the throttle)


Doing it this way means that the ECU replaces the throttle micro switch, with the added advantage of retarding the ignition advance and trimming the fuel. The fuel trim is usesful only to trim the jetting that is already fitted, rather than privide the extra fuel and eliminating the fuel jetting altogether. Some ECU's will also disable the nitrous when it detects an AFR or lambda outside of the safe range, which is advenatgous.

As has already been mentioned, do not even consider using an external 5v supply as this could push negative volts through the chip and damage it. Use only the ECU's own 5v and sensor grounds to avoid damage, depending on how well the ECU's inputs are protected in the first instance.

Edited by Sprocket on 19th Aug, 2012.

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alaskanow0

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That was the plan, but wasn't sure how to activate aux only when nitrous was in use.

On 19th Aug, 2012 stevieturbo said:



On 19th Aug, 2012 alaskanow0 said:
Can anybody tell me how to reduce a 12-14v volt down to a 0-5 volt signal to my Dta Ecu. When I activate nitrous in want the ecu to retard ignition.


Exactly how are you configuring this ?

You could use an Aux out on the DTA to actually trigger the nitrous ( via TPS, RPM, whatever ), and in doing so automatically apply any fuel/timing compensations in the relevant Aux out table.

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Matt this doesn't suprise me one bit, lol

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On 19th Aug, 2012 alaskanow0 said:

That was the plan, but wasn't sure how to activate aux only when nitrous was in use.


I see what you're saying.

If you want to change a 12v trigger to a -neg ve trigger. You could use a small NPN transistor or micro relay, or a big relay.

You could then use this -ve trigger to activate MAP2 on the DTA which would carry the relevant changes for nitrous use.

Or maybe wire in an IAT sensor into an Analogue input on the DTA. When nitrous is spraying IAT's will drop, and you could then use this cooling reference to apply any fuel/timing corrections
That way they will only be applied when it is actually spraying.

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