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96 Posts Member #: 7325 Advanced Member |
22nd Jul, 2011 at 10:28:50pm
Since Im learning all over again with the Fuel Injection system (and its quite a steep learning curve), can somebody please explain the basics of mapping?
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1346 Posts Member #: 2340 Post Whore Dublin Ireland |
22nd Jul, 2011 at 10:51:18pm
A pop back trough the throttle body is lean burn back fire,
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96 Posts Member #: 7325 Advanced Member |
22nd Jul, 2011 at 11:27:43pm
cheers paul, Ill do that tomorrow, explainations cleared alot up! |
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5988 Posts Member #: 2024 Formally Retired Rural Suffolk |
23rd Jul, 2011 at 10:58:11am
On 22nd Jul, 2011 ciaran said:
The car backfires when it starts, Is this a Ignition issue? Im presuming it is as it hasnt done it before. Could be inition timing when cranking or the cold start enrichment settings are wrong. There should be enrichment settings for cranking and initial cold running. Look at the AFRs on the wide band(s) as soon as it starts to see which way it is out. On 22nd Jul, 2011 ciaran said:
The car misfires and spits back out through the throttle bodies when I put it under load at take off, or if Im pushing just past about 15% throttle. It then clears up around 40% throttle. whats causing this? Most likely accelleration enrichment (AE) settings are wrong (too low) or are set for MAP (IIRC you haven't installed a MAP sensor but are relying on TPS, the default setting for AE is most likely MAP) On 22nd Jul, 2011 ciaran said:
Injection timing, how do I know when to time the injection sequence for a 286 cam? the maps in the ECU are for a 266. Trial and error I'm afraid with any siamese system, especially as it's only semi-sequential (you can do some maths on transit times for a fully sequential system but even then, it's only ball park stuff, fine tuning is on the widebands). On 22nd Jul, 2011 ciaran said:
Injection, Do these work linear? for exmple my injectors are quite large, 500cc/min I think , can I work out using the size of injectors the Base map was designed for, how much to reduce the opening time on my injectors? No, they are not - there is an openning and closing time as well as the time the injectior actually flows fuel. The closing time is insignificant but openning time is not. The software may take this into account, ie, you enter the figure into the software and it adds it to the CPU calculated openning time accordingly or you may just have to take it into account mathematically. But if you had started with a 250cc injector and pulse width of 4mS, then went to 500cc, it would not be 2mS because a significant part of those times (say 0.5 - 1.0mS) is openning time when no fuel flows. Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ??? |
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96 Posts Member #: 7325 Advanced Member |
25th Jul, 2011 at 03:19:10pm
Great advice, I richened the mixture on acceleration and reduced the amount of fuel injected on the priming pulse and after start enrichment. I dont think Its quite there yet but the engine has gotten much more rev happy and its reaching the limiter very quick ( Ive it limited to 4K RPM) |
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8297 Posts Member #: 408 Turbo Love Palace Fool Aylesbury |
25th Jul, 2011 at 11:26:01pm
I assume you have a lambda sensor wired in somewhere? Have you had a look at the readings whilst the engine is running? This can give you some insight into what is happening (it can also show you some red herrings).
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11046 Posts Member #: 965 Post Whore Preston On The Brook |
26th Jul, 2011 at 12:35:33pm
Backfire in the exhaust on over run is a rich condition. The lowest lines on the map in over run areas are just as important. You may have an over run fuel cut setting which makes this area of the map much easier to tune, since you can ignore everything in the area where fuel cut is active, leaving the low rpm area for manual tuning.
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96 Posts Member #: 7325 Advanced Member |
26th Jul, 2011 at 01:05:12pm
On 25th Jul, 2011 matty said:
I assume you have a lambda sensor wired in somewhere? Have you had a look at the readings whilst the engine is running? This can give you some insight into what is happening (it can also show you some red herrings). What ECu are you running? I know my ecu takes into consideration, injector size/ engine size to give you a required fuel setting. Back fire on over run could be lean backfire (if running wasted sark), overfuelling, cam timing, ignintion timing. The lambda gauge will be your best friend in the early stages of maping. Its a canems ECU, I have 2 widebands fitted, one on the centre branch and the other on the outer branch, however Im only getting a reading off one of them! so I have an issue somewhere with the other, Its not the wiring as Ive double checked this, also they take awhile to start working, maybe 2-3 mins. |
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96 Posts Member #: 7325 Advanced Member |
26th Jul, 2011 at 01:07:58pm
On 26th Jul, 2011 Sprocket said:
Backfire in the exhaust on over run is a rich condition. The lowest lines on the map in over run areas are just as important. You may have an over run fuel cut setting which makes this area of the map much easier to tune, since you can ignore everything in the area where fuel cut is active, leaving the low rpm area for manual tuning. Ill have a look for a setting like this, I dont think I have come across it yet. On 26th Jul, 2011 Sprocket said:
I'd be tempted to put a line at the very bottom of the map and have that set for 0kpa and all the VE values zero, with the next line up 20 or 30kpa as normally tuned. This will reduce proportionally the fuel to zero as the MAP drops below 20kpa. while it might not be perfect, it will be far better than the lowest line of 20kpa and ve values, since if over run MAP is lower than 20kpa, it will overfuel. I dont have a MAP sensor, its running on a TPS sensor, as it has a 286 cam, from what I gather isnt the best to be using a MAP with? I may install one soon, as it seems most cars use them. |
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