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Graham T

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Up until now, I’ve not used the manifold pressure signal on the FPR. The injection setup I have on the 998NA has been fine. But as I cannot stop fiddling, I thought I would see what impact connecting the vacuum would have on the fuel pressure and resulting changes in the mega squirt tune, especially at tick over.
At the moment, I am seeing very little difference, the fuel pressure does not appear to be reducing proportionally to the vacuum in the Manifold, which I thought it should?

I have the FPR signal T’d off of the same signal pipe which services the MAP sensor of the megasquirt.
Fuel pressure is set at 43Psi at atmosphere and the MegasquirtS shows 101Kpa.
Once the engine is warmed up, the MAP reads 32Kpa on the Megasquirt at tick over - 930(ish)rpm, but the fuel pressure sits at around 38Psi.

This 5Psi drop in fuel pressure seems to have very little, if any effect on the air fuel mixture at tick over. I’ve not needed to change any of the fuel VE table load bins.
This is probably just me having calculations etc. wrong, but I had expected the fuel pressure to drop by 10Psi at tick over, not 5Psi ?

IF it should drop by 10Psi, what could be the cause of it not dropping to the correct pressure?
I can manually adjust the FPR down to a fuel pressure of around 32Psi at tick over and there is a notable change in engine revs -Hence I ruled out the fact that my return pipe being smaller than the feed pipe could be causing a restriction.

I have another FPR on its way, but I am wondering whether the signal pipe could be “collapsing” under vacuum?

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Rod S

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If it is a "normal" linear FPR then the actual fuel pressure should follow manifold pressure, ie, the fuel pressure should allways be the set figure above manifold pressure so the injector characteristics are constant.

But there are a lot of regulators on the market known as "rising rate" regulators which do not maintain a constant differential but, as there name implies, increase the differential as the manifold pressure goes up so, conversly, decrease the differential as the manifold pressure goes down.

As you don't appear to be getting the correct reduction in pressure (too little) maybe the regulator is a "rising rate" type ???

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???


Graham T

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Rod,
the regulator is an "FSE Motorsport race injection Valve 1:1", bought from Glencoe (or the fuelsystem.co.uk website). So it is not a rising rate model.

Am I right in my assumption that I should be seeing a reduction in fuel pressure of 10Psi?

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Siamese 5 port EFI testing
http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.php?p=vt&tid=611675


Rod S

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On 2nd Jun, 2011 Graham T said:
Am I right in my assumption that I should be seeing a reduction in fuel pressure of 10Psi?


Essentially, yes, as 32kPa is approx 5psi(a) or minus 10psi(g).

The important thing on a linear regulator is the fuel pressure should allways be a constant figure above the manifold/plenum pressure (so the pressure drop across the injector pintle is allways constant).

Particularly important once you finish your turbo'd engine.

BTW, 32kPa is quite a good manifold vacuum, I only see 55-60kPa at idle (but mine is a very low compression engine which also means it can't "suck" as hard as a high compression engine).

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???


Graham T

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On 2nd Jun, 2011 Rod S said:
On 2nd Jun, 2011 Graham T said:
Am I right in my assumption that I should be seeing a reduction in fuel pressure of 10Psi?


Essentially, yes, as 32kPa is approx 5psi(a) or minus 10psi(g).




Ah, good. - The absolute or Gauge was why I was not sure of what pressure drop I should see.
Bad - I'm not seeing that pressure drop...


On 2nd Jun, 2011 Rod S said:


Particularly important once you finish your turbo'd engine.



Exactly why I'm still fiddling with the setup on the 998NA. I want to get the inlet manifold that I have created bolted onto the 998 so that I at least test and have a bench mark for when it is on the turbo engine, but I'm not going to do that until I have the FPR working as I expected it would.

On 2nd Jun, 2011 Rod S said:


BTW, 32kPa is quite a good manifold vacuum, I only see 55-60kPa at idle (but mine is a very low compression engine which also means it can't "suck" as hard as a high compression engine).



Thats a good point I had never thought of. The Turbo build is 8.2:1 CR. That will save me the trouble of posting in the future, asking why MAP at tick over is so high on the turbo engine.


Just a thought- if the lower compression engine sucks less, presumably the effect that the Servo will have on assisting the braking will be less than with a higher CR engine?

’77 Clubman build thread
http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.php?p=vt&tid=618189

Siamese 5 port EFI testing
http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.php?p=vt&tid=611675


Graham T

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Problem solved.
The signal pipe to the FPR was squashed.
Once I re-routed the signal pipe, the fuel pressure holds steady at around 33PSI at tick over. Blipping the throttle, shows the fuel pressure rise and fall as expected.

’77 Clubman build thread
http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.php?p=vt&tid=618189

Siamese 5 port EFI testing
http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.php?p=vt&tid=611675

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