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![]() 8604 Posts Member #: 573 Formerly Axel Podland |
18th Oct, 2010 at 07:26:27pm
I'm about to start on another EFi project and need to put together a load of parts.
Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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![]() 296 Posts Member #: 9117 Senior Member Northampton |
18th Oct, 2010 at 07:31:57pm
Sounds great but not got that sort of cash this year, maybe next Confessed addiction to everything mini |
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78 Posts Member #: 9073 Advanced Member Edinburgh |
18th Oct, 2010 at 08:31:55pm
On 18th Oct, 2010 Paul S said:
It will be priced up as packages with options. All parts would be new, nothing ex-scrappy. Would this be of interest to anyone? Yes possibly but I've got a few bits I wouldn't need. And £2K would need 'management' approval. Nial. |
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![]() 8604 Posts Member #: 573 Formerly Axel Podland |
19th Oct, 2010 at 10:11:37pm
160+ views and a couple of maybes.
Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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![]() 730 Posts Member #: 1791 Post Whore Cranleigh, surrey |
20th Oct, 2010 at 04:23:14pm
think its the cost, its a brilliant product but not many people would want to spend £2k when still the most powerfull turbo 5 port a-series are on carb? just thinking out loud....... "Cars are a lifetime of pain" |
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![]() 10022 Posts Member #: 1456 Mongo Barnsley, South Flatcapshire |
20th Oct, 2010 at 04:26:38pm
I wouldn't give up on the idea Paul.
If something is worth doing, it's worth doing half of. |
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78 Posts Member #: 9073 Advanced Member Edinburgh |
20th Oct, 2010 at 04:41:59pm
On 19th Oct, 2010 Paul S said:
160+ views and a couple of maybes. I think I'll park that idea for now. As John says don't give up just yet (specially if it'll save you money?). You could do with publicising this a bit more, there is a good chance that you'll get people on Minifinity or The Mini Forum who are interested. Nial |
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![]() 8604 Posts Member #: 573 Formerly Axel Podland |
20th Oct, 2010 at 04:42:05pm
I think that once we have a few more cars using the Siamese code then people will take more interest.
Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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![]() 10022 Posts Member #: 1456 Mongo Barnsley, South Flatcapshire |
20th Oct, 2010 at 04:51:32pm
TBH "peak" horsepower doesn't interest me. I want the mid range and part throttle driveability that a mapped injection system can offer.
Edited by John on 20th Oct, 2010. If something is worth doing, it's worth doing half of. |
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1267 Posts Member #: 831 Post Whore Montreal, Canada |
20th Oct, 2010 at 05:02:54pm
On 20th Oct, 2010 John said:
TBH "peak" horsepower doesn't interest me. I want the mid range and part throttle driveability that a mapped injection system can offer. The advantage with a correctly designed EFI system is that you don't have to compromise on one to get the other. Jean |
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78 Posts Member #: 9073 Advanced Member Edinburgh |
20th Oct, 2010 at 05:04:44pm
On 20th Oct, 2010 John said:
TBH "peak" horsepower doesn't interest me. I want the mid range and part throttle driveability that a mapped injection system can offer. Me too! (And [whisper]better fuel consumption![/whisper]) Nial. Edited by Nial on 20th Oct, 2010. |
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![]() 8604 Posts Member #: 573 Formerly Axel Podland |
20th Oct, 2010 at 05:11:19pm
On 20th Oct, 2010 John said:
Consider this me registering interest in this package, however if a 7-port injected solution can be had for the same sort of money then this may be the way to go. This is considerably cheaper than a 7 Port option. You will still need all of the above, plus the cylinder head. As for mid-range torque and driveability, my 998Ti has bags of it. It is very smooth to drive and has the feel of a modern car. The other thing to consider is that the EFi opens up the options of boost control, launch control, traction control, data logging etc. Plus you will only need a rolling road to establish the optimum ignition timing. Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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2096 Posts Member #: 1111 Post Whore s wales |
20th Oct, 2010 at 07:06:58pm
its a good idea. it hink what you are up against is the lack of spare cash most people have at the moment
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![]() 3249 Posts Member #: 1194 Post Whore Shropshire. |
20th Oct, 2010 at 07:09:02pm
i think 2k for this is a bargain, great work Paul. |
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![]() 5988 Posts Member #: 2024 Formally Retired Rural Suffolk |
20th Oct, 2010 at 07:32:31pm
For what it's worth, I think you summed it up yourself....
On 20th Oct, 2010 Paul S said:
I think that once we have a few more cars using the Siamese code then people will take more interest. In the UK I'm only aware of three of us who are actually running it at the moment which covers you (turbo 998 on the road for over a year), Graham (std 998 on the road but experimenting with sequential injection) and myself (turbo, but just running it for testing in the garage at the moment as the car isn't finished). Not really a good advert at the moment despite our progress. Anyone with an SU can beat us easily so far :) The other point is we've all done it different ways - your second version for the Miglia is significantly different to your first version, just as my second version will be different to my first. Graham's is different too - and so on.... there won't be five the same soon. So, you're right, we need more people to give it a try. The code Jean wrote is now superb in its flexibility to set the injection sequence however we want (you, me and Graham are all doing it differently) but there is no standard yet - ether in the physical hardware or the way to use the code. That's the problem in trying to progress it at the moment, no obvious best way and R&D comes expensive. BTW, this is not intended to be negative - I've spent too much for that, just to try to put some perspective on the issue. Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ??? |
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![]() 8604 Posts Member #: 573 Formerly Axel Podland |
20th Oct, 2010 at 08:01:12pm
Make that 6 as this latest one is NA 1380. The intention is to get some comparible data with a Weber carb.
Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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Forum Mod ![]() 5933 Posts Member #: 784 9 times Avon Park Class C winner Milton Keynes |
20th Oct, 2010 at 08:22:01pm
Ive honestly never been interested but if youre doing a 1380 NA Ill be watching the progress.
I seriously doubt it! |
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![]() 8215 Posts Member #: 90 Post Whore Somewhere around Swindon |
20th Oct, 2010 at 08:24:05pm
i think 2k is cheap Crystal Sound Audio said:
Why wolfie...you should have your name as Fuckfaceshithead ! "A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools."-Douglas Adams |
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![]() 8604 Posts Member #: 573 Formerly Axel Podland |
20th Oct, 2010 at 08:31:37pm
On 20th Oct, 2010 paul wiginton said:
Ive honestly never been interested but if youre doing a 1380 NA Ill be watching the progress. What spec would it be? Paul This thread: http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.php?p=vt&tid=380668 Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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Forum Mod ![]() 5933 Posts Member #: 784 9 times Avon Park Class C winner Milton Keynes |
20th Oct, 2010 at 09:05:11pm
Ah, ofcourse - silly me I seriously doubt it! |
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![]() 9502 Posts Member #: 1023 Post Whore Doncaster, South Yorkshire |
20th Oct, 2010 at 09:05:33pm
just logging my interest, i dont intend on having efi straight away but definitely in the future, i am planning a 7port head to make it simpler but i have eyes on your mig :) Yes i moved to the darkside |
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![]() 8604 Posts Member #: 573 Formerly Axel Podland |
20th Oct, 2010 at 09:12:13pm
The idea with building a high spec NA 1380 is that the available power from a 296 cam, 36/31 head and a Weber carb is well understood. This will give us a direct comparison.
Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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![]() 8604 Posts Member #: 573 Formerly Axel Podland |
20th Oct, 2010 at 09:20:40pm
On 20th Oct, 2010 Brett said:
just logging my interest, i dont intend on having efi straight away but definitely in the future, i am planning a 7port head to make it simpler but i have eyes on your mig :) The 5 port EFi is not as simple as a 7/8 port, but the only additional feature that you have to set up is the injection timing table. This only takes a few hours on the road. I am yet to be convinced that you need any more than two inlet ports to make real power with a turbo. On a 7/8 port head, you have twice the port, but they are only working for half the time. I know there is the issue of charge robbing, but with a long LCA cam and minimal overlap, that can be mimimised. This is starting to sound like a sales pitch. That was not the intention but there seems to be a consensus that if you use injection you must have 4 inlet ports. Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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![]() 6274 Posts Member #: 509 Post Whore Isle of Man |
20th Oct, 2010 at 09:28:53pm
for what it offers, i think this is cheap too
"Turbo's make torque, and torque makes fun"
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![]() 10022 Posts Member #: 1456 Mongo Barnsley, South Flatcapshire |
20th Oct, 2010 at 09:32:15pm
I've been doing a bit of research and this is looking more attractive. I think further reading is in order. If something is worth doing, it's worth doing half of. |
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