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26 Posts Member #: 1228 Member congleton |
23rd Mar, 2010 at 02:34:32am
hi all after some tips/revews and pro/con's on some ecu's
I'm no expert, but as long as I've got my angle grinder and big hammer, I'm sure I'll manage to work it out. |
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1267 Posts Member #: 831 Post Whore Montreal, Canada |
23rd Mar, 2010 at 02:59:12am
This question is much too vague. You need to put it in context because the answer will be different if you're talking about throttle body injection, port injection, 5-port head, 7/8 port head, 16-valve head.
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26 Posts Member #: 1228 Member congleton |
23rd Mar, 2010 at 01:06:01pm
the reson it is a open ended question is i dont know what way to go with the engine yet I'm no expert, but as long as I've got my angle grinder and big hammer, I'm sure I'll manage to work it out. |
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857 Posts Member #: 1778 Post Whore Northants |
23rd Mar, 2010 at 01:10:29pm
Well only 1 of those options work with all of the above. |
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10021 Posts Member #: 1456 Mongo Barnsley, South Flatcapshire |
23rd Mar, 2010 at 01:12:06pm
And is probably the cheapest. If something is worth doing, it's worth doing half of. |
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453 Posts Member #: 6449 Senior Member Brisbane, Australia |
23rd Mar, 2010 at 01:22:58pm
Its an interesting way to build an engine. Decide what ecu youll run before you even decide what car/use/power/driveability its going to get. In boost we trust |
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8604 Posts Member #: 573 Formerly Axel Podland |
23rd Mar, 2010 at 01:23:57pm
What you need is:
Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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453 Posts Member #: 6449 Senior Member Brisbane, Australia |
23rd Mar, 2010 at 01:27:39pm
So you need a motec?
On 23rd Mar, 2010 Paul S said:
What you need is: A. The most expensive. B. The one that earns the greatest kudos in the pub. C. The one that means you have to travel miles to find a rolling road willing to set it up. D. The one with the largest table size. In boost we trust |
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3329 Posts Member #: 184 Senior Member Melton Mowbray, Pie Country |
23rd Mar, 2010 at 01:28:04pm
On 23rd Mar, 2010 johnflamered said:
the reson it is a open ended question is i dont know what way to go with the engine yet This seems like back to front logic to me. I think if I were deciding on an engine I would think about the head, cam, crank, etc first and then choose the fueling to suit. There is no point in choosing the fueling side first and then finding an engine to suit. This is stated a lot: Choose what you want the engine for, road, race, track, etc. Then the a rough power requirement, this will narrow you engine choice the higher power you go. For example if you want 150 bananas then you are looking at forced induction or 16v. Make your choice and then you can think about fueling as part of the hwole project. http://www.twin-turbo.co.uk
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8215 Posts Member #: 90 Post Whore Somewhere around Swindon |
23rd Mar, 2010 at 01:32:00pm
As Ben has said make a spec list and work down it in priority, adjust and alter spec list when needed depending on route taken Crystal Sound Audio said:
Why wolfie...you should have your name as Fuckfaceshithead ! "A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools."-Douglas Adams |
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5988 Posts Member #: 2024 Formally Retired Rural Suffolk |
23rd Mar, 2010 at 01:45:49pm
In addition to all of the above (with which I agree entirely) it depends on how much you intend to do yourself or whether you intend to just throw money at other people.
Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ??? |
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695 Posts Member #: 984 Post Whore Westhoughton, Bolton |
23rd Mar, 2010 at 02:22:50pm
As far as im aware John is after an ecu which he can use now on his a-series 5 port but will also be usable if he decides to do an engine conversion in the future, be it K series or vaux. |
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16540 Posts Member #: 4241 King Gaycharger, butt plug dealer, Sheldon Cooper and a BAC but generally a niceish fella if you dont mind a northerner Rotherham, South Yorkshire |
23rd Mar, 2010 at 02:27:39pm
In that case, he should stick with a carb and megajolt, then he can get something specific to his chosen conversion when he gets that far. The money and time he saves can be plowed into researching and making an educated decision about his engine choice. On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it |
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10021 Posts Member #: 1456 Mongo Barnsley, South Flatcapshire |
23rd Mar, 2010 at 02:41:58pm
On 23rd Mar, 2010 apbellamy said:
In that case, he should stick with a carb and megajolt, then he can get something specific to his chosen conversion when he gets that far. The money and time he saves can be plowed into researching and making an educated decision about his engine choice. If something is worth doing, it's worth doing half of. |
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26 Posts Member #: 1228 Member congleton |
23rd Mar, 2010 at 04:20:10pm
Right all the ecu is for running my spi engine with 286 cam 1.5 rocker etc then it will be running (a) rover k series witch I have spent the last year researching and under stand 100% and have mod k series as my every day drive mg zs or (b) a forced induction set up I have had a turbo mini but it was carbed now looking in to the injection side of it. End uses is for track days and road fun I'm no expert, but as long as I've got my angle grinder and big hammer, I'm sure I'll manage to work it out. |
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26 Posts Member #: 1228 Member congleton |
23rd Mar, 2010 at 04:29:10pm
Ow and I will be doing all the work on it myself as all ways with a bit of help from my club Manchester minis and the net I'm no expert, but as long as I've got my angle grinder and big hammer, I'm sure I'll manage to work it out. |
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5988 Posts Member #: 2024 Formally Retired Rural Suffolk |
23rd Mar, 2010 at 04:32:25pm
On 23rd Mar, 2010 johnflamered said:
Right all the ecu is for running my spi engine with 286 cam 1.5 rocker etc then it will be running (a) rover k series witch I have spent the last year researching and under stand 100% and have mod k series as my every day drive mg zs or (b) a forced induction set up I have had a turbo mini but it was carbed now looking in to the injection side of it. End uses is for track days and road fun Unfortunately your current engine (single point injection) and then "a" (8 port) and "b" (5 port) are all VERY different in their requirements for fuel injection. So there is no ideal answer IMO. EDIT - to make more sense Edited by Rod S on 23rd Mar, 2010. Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ??? |
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Site Admin 15300 Posts Member #: 337 Fearless Tom Fenton, Avon Park 2007 & 2008 class D winner & TM legend. |
23rd Mar, 2010 at 04:33:51pm
To be honest you have not really answered the points raised above. Any ECU in your list will run a K series engine, as the K series has one inlet port per cylinder.
On 29th Nov, 2016 madmk1 said:
On 28th Nov, 2016 Rob Gavin said:
I refuse to pay for anything else Like fuel 😂😂 |
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26 Posts Member #: 1228 Member congleton |
23rd Mar, 2010 at 05:19:08pm
Sorry for the poor question to start but now we are cooking lol and my (b) would be a supercharger set up as would save the most parts of my current set up so on that set up or a k series all of them will work I think lol (not shore on 4 and 5 has any one tried them) witch brings me to what I was after at the start ease of fit eg loom and the ease of using the software to map and the best place/prixe to get them from I'm no expert, but as long as I've got my angle grinder and big hammer, I'm sure I'll manage to work it out. |
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8604 Posts Member #: 573 Formerly Axel Podland |
23rd Mar, 2010 at 05:24:29pm
On 23rd Mar, 2010 johnflamered said:
my (b) would be a supercharger set up as would save the most parts of my current set up so on that set up or a k series all of them will work Is it me or is anyone else getting a bit annoyed with this gentleman???? Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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26 Posts Member #: 1228 Member congleton |
23rd Mar, 2010 at 05:36:44pm
Sorry not mean to be I'm no expert, but as long as I've got my angle grinder and big hammer, I'm sure I'll manage to work it out. |
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5988 Posts Member #: 2024 Formally Retired Rural Suffolk |
23rd Mar, 2010 at 05:52:51pm
On 23rd Mar, 2010 johnflamered said:
and my (b) would be a supercharger set up as would save the most parts of my current set up so on that set up or a k series all of them will work I think NO...... Not if you want to do it right. If you supercharge (or turbocharge) a 5 port engine, the best that "all of them" will do is give you an electronic SU. As I tried to explain in your other thread, that may give you something easier to adjust but it will most likely give a worse fuel distribution per cylinder than an actual SU. There is only one with code written to specifically address the 5 port distribution and that has to be physically built as a port injection system, not anything else you have suggested. Plenty of people make the "wet manifold" system work (which any ECU can deliver) and it does have the advantage of being easier to map than filing a needle but it is not the correct way to inject the 5 port. Just look at Leyland/Rover...... they had to abandon SPI in favour of MPI just to meet emissions regulations. All of the above give mappable SPI, only one gives mappable MPI. Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ??? |
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6745 Posts Member #: 828 Post Whore uranus |
23rd Mar, 2010 at 06:08:54pm
looks like the answer is the megasquirt with all the bits in it to do all the modes . Medusa + injection = too much torque for the dyno ..https://youtu.be/qg5o0_tJxYM |
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8604 Posts Member #: 573 Formerly Axel Podland |
23rd Mar, 2010 at 07:04:43pm
Have a read of this. Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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869 Posts Member #: 2443 Post Whore Cheshire |
23rd Mar, 2010 at 07:19:26pm
Thats a really good read, thanks Paul. |
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