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Paul S

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I've drafted the attached as a general guide to engine mods required to fit a turbo. It would answer a lot of newbie questions.

Generally I do not like a "one size fits all" solutions, but I feel that we need something.

Comments welcomed. But I don't need you to tell me of isolated examples where these rules are broken. That is always going to be the case and depends very much on the individual car/engine/driver.


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Ben H

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My only comment would be for 100 bananas I would not bother with centre main strap or ARP bolts which you have said is ok and I guess just an asperation.

It is probably worth doing one for 1275 and 998 though. Same table for 998 just different power and probably a change to the drive train section.

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Looks like a good start. Am sure a few people will be able to add to this. And a few disagreements may be aired.

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On 4th Mar, 2010 John said:
And a few disagreements may be aired.


Inevitably *happy*

What was it Mini-Mag said about us......

"Here some properly extreme Mini engineering is thought up, discussed, argued about.....". They also called us "freaks"......

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Stephen Hawking - "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge."


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Freaks!? Must be to do with some of us looking like BBC tv presenters and tea-pots. *tongue*

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This is a great idea. Being new to the turbo A-series there are a couple of questions that I would have and could be answered on your resource sheet.

1. Block :: A+ or Pre A+. Is Pre A+ okay to 100 bhp / 125 bhp, etc. Is there a target hp beyond which the A+ must be used?

2. For the recommended turbos specify the most common vehicles / years that these can be sourced from.


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In my opinion either block should be fine. It it rumoured the pre-a+ were made of stronger stuff but I have no evidence other than rumour & hearsay.

However the A+ stuff was designed with strengthening ridges to make the block stiffer.

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On 4th Mar, 2010 svrdaniels said:
This is a great idea. Being new to the turbo A-series there are a couple of questions that I would have and could be answered on your resource sheet.


I agree - a good starter for ten!
Could it be discuused (and the then sheet expanded) - is there something which you all do (and wouldn't dream of not doing) when building a FI engine ?


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Could you use the GT1752 off the aero models on the 200bhp+ category? Is thsi the same as a Mitsi TD04?


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I don't believe that they use the GT17 on the aero models.

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the aero models do use a TD04 gav

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that sums it up very well, great stuff :)

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A good idea Paul, only bit I would query are the H-section rods- the only person I know running these off the top of my head are Turbo Phil?


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Paul S

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On 6th Mar, 2010 Tom Fenton said:
A good idea Paul, only bit I would query are the H-section rods- the only person I know running these off the top of my head are Turbo Phil?


I know what you mean Tom, but having assembled all the parts for a 200+hp engine, I just felt that the standard rods were the weakest link.

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Looks good to me Paul.

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That's a really good sheet Paul,

Obviously it shouldn't be cluttered up with too many options like "Benross elbow's" for example, but i think adding in intercoolers may be an idea as its a commonly asked question by newbies.

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At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



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I like it, nice work.

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On 6th Mar, 2010 mini13 said:
That's a really good sheet Paul,

Obviously it shouldn't be cluttered up with too many options like "Benross elbow's" for example, but i think adding in intercoolers may be an idea as its a commonly asked question by newbies.


It should just say 'Fit the biggest one you can get under the bonnet'

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superb paul

On 2nd Oct, 2009 Vegard said:


On 1st Oct, 2009 Jimster said:
I bet my first wank came quicker than your first mini turbo


These new modern turbos with their quick spool up time, would make the competition harder.


On 15th Aug, 2011 robert said:
phew!!! thank you brett for smashing in my back doors .( not something i imagined writing... EVER)


Joe C

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LOL

i was thinking along the lines of, upto 140hp RS turbo or equiv, and 140+ 2wd cossie or equiv.


On 6th Mar, 2010 Ben H said:
On 6th Mar, 2010 mini13 said:
That's a really good sheet Paul,

Obviously it shouldn't be cluttered up with too many options like "Benross elbow's" for example, but i think adding in intercoolers may be an idea as its a commonly asked question by newbies.


It should just say 'Fit the biggest one you can get under the bonnet'

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1

https://joe1977.imgbb.com/



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nice!! Thank you!! very useful, hope to see more in future *happy*

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Very helpful to newbie such as myself and gives me an idea of how many pennies I need to raise for 200bhp......LOTS lol.


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very nice, i would add a target compression ratio, as the more boost you run the lower the cr to help with having headgasket problems?

i was running 9psi on pretty much standard stuff with a cr of 9.4:1 and i was getting over 140bhp and 133lbps upto 6k rpm (never had headgasket go in the 6k miles it did)

was the standard metro turbo 9.2:1?


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very useful and reassuring i have made some good choices. bar the 11 stud.

how about a cooling section? oil and water.

but great stuff!


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On 20th Apr, 2010 Johnny said:
very nice, i would add a target compression ratio, as the more boost you run the lower the cr to help with having headgasket problems?

i was running 9psi on pretty much standard stuff with a cr of 9.4:1 and i was getting over 140bhp and 133lbps upto 6k rpm (never had headgasket go in the 6k miles it did)

was the standard metro turbo 9.2:1?


im sure on the forum somewhere there is a graph plotting max boost vs. cr, iirc it wasnt mini specific, but usefull as a guide, think it was an extract from one of bell's books?

think alex or benross posted it? but cant find the thread now

*edit* there was also a graph of octane vs. max boost on the same post?

anyone remember this or am i going mad?

Edited by joeybaby83 on 20th Apr, 2010.

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