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An old STD bore block I had sectioned. It had spun a bearing and damaged the center bearing housing so not worth saving.

Poor core casting can be seen, but more interestingly there is plenty of metal around the bores. You can clearly see where Visard warns of breaking into oil ways, this being the main problem. Id expect bore flex to be strictly limited to where the bores are siameased.


















Edited by Sprocket on 16th Oct, 2007.

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good work, and yes one of the holes is very close to the bore wall! nice to see what we can't normaly.

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What the fooks that bemt bit of tin doing between 2&3!! or is it 3&4...

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yes looks a bit weird does that!

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apparently those are used to tie in the cores when casting. They are in every block. Visard also mentions these. When i had the 74mm block bored, true to Visards word, you could see a difference in clour of metal where this had been exposed as it were. It looks like on this block it may be an issue on big overbores as i can see where the metals havent quite moulded together

Edited by Sprocket on 26th Nov, 2006.

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


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Given thats all solid cast iron....they look pretty thick to me ???

Open deck Subaru liners are only about 5mm thick, obviously set into an alloy block.

LS1 liners can only be machined out 5thou oversize, so they are pretty damn thin too.

Is bore flex an issue with the A-series ???

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on that last pic, look at all that sediment/rust at the bottom of the jacket, i just hope that down there away from the combustion it doesnt hinder cooling too much.

Would an acid dip get rid of all that shit?

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Great Stuff Colin!

How about you show us the magic machine that you sectioned the block with!!!

I'm going to 'cut' the top off my current block when I'm done with it - to see exactly what is causing the overheating.
It is good seeing inside though - as Stevie said, this actually looks pretty sturdy.

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those are some fascinating pictures ,thank you colin .

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As Said,
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Mmmm that is INTERESTING. i suscept those metal 'sheet' between bores, would affect the cooling around the block, by those limiting the flow of coolant.

What year is that block?


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Mmmm that is INTERESTING. i suscept those metal 'sheet' between bores, would affect the cooling around the block, by those limiting the flow of coolant.

What year is that block?


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good stuff colin - the old A looks very different from the inside out! - thanks

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great pics, thanks for sharing them!

the crud in the bottom of the water passeges is scary, i sincerely hope that wasnt running like that!

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Thanks for the replies people. I my self was curious to see the inside. The pics in TBASE dont depict what you can see in real life.

TD, I had the machine shop do it on their 12" band saw. I got it in with the price of some CAD/CAM. LOL, though they did curse and swear a bit*laughing* I only asked for three cuts cos i kind of knew it wasnt an easy job.

As for the 'sediment' at the bottom of the coolant gallery, I dont believe this to be the case. It seems to me to be poor casting, its solid and is shiney when scratched. Its a big restriction.

Not sure on the year of the block, but its Pre WFM1024 but has the plain bottom bearing mains. Any one care to hazard a guess to the year?? OOH actualy the number should still be on it, I'll check it in a bit.

As far as I am aware, all A series blocks have those metal strips, like i said its something to do with tieing in the wax cores for casting. Visard mentions it and i read it some where else too, im sure *oh well* The block i used on the 1400 has them, i wondered what they were when i changed the core plugs. Wonder if it would aid cooling any if they could be ground out at the front of the block from through the core plug holes with a die grinder???

Oh and this engine i bought a while back for something like £3.84. It realy wasnt worth it. Well maybe for the bolts and fixings, oh yeh and the almost new standard Duplex set. There was nothing right with it. Brocken rings that had deffo been run for considerable time, the crankshaft key was broken in two, thecamshaft key was also broken. The crank pulley bolt had some wierd washer behind it, the crank wash shot, ALL the bearings were doune to the backing. I suspect its been in a pond*laughing* I posted the pics up a while back, i'll see if i can find them.

Edited by Sprocket on 27th Nov, 2006.

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


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This may be bollocks, but surely those protruding bits of tin will AID cooling by giving more surface area for water to contact and transfer heat away from the block?????


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well i be honest and say i dont think it matters at all. The majority of heat is in the combustion chamber, so its the underside of the dack and the head that needs the surface area. Its in these areas that steam pockets build and reduce the conduction of heat to the coolant, resulting in overheating of the combustion chamber.

Having said that and thinking while im typing, there is not contact of the deck/bore between the cylinders and fron what i have seen of melted pistons it seems to be either #2 or #3 and always across the pins, where the heat would be the highest.

There may be some theory to your bollocks Tom!!!

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


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Engine number 12HC14AA and apparently MG Metro 1984 onwards, however, it was not an MG metro cam that cam out, but then the engine had been rebuilt.

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


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On 27th of Nov, 2006 at 08:30pm Mini Sprocket said:
well i be honest and say i dont think it matters at all. The majority of heat is in the combustion chamber, so its the underside of the dack and the head that needs the surface area. Its in these areas that steam pockets build and reduce the conduction of heat to the coolant, resulting in overheating of the combustion chamber.

Having said that and thinking while im typing, there is not contact of the deck/bore between the cylinders and fron what i have seen of melted pistons it seems to be either #2 or #3 and always across the pins, where the heat would be the highest.

There may be some theory to your bollocks Tom!!!


Anybody ever had the combustion chamber and piston crown ceramic coated or similar ??
I guess you could do the entire exhaust port too. That should seriously reduce heat dumped into the cooling system, as well as increase heat dumped into the turbocharger, which in theory, should be a good thing.

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On 27th of Nov, 2006 at 08:18pm Mini Sprocket said:
As for the 'sediment' at the bottom of the coolant gallery, I dont believe this to be the case. It seems to me to be poor casting, its solid and is shiney when scratched. Its a big restriction.


Nail head etc..

If this is the result of pants casting, there maybe something to it in the cooling stakes, particularly if not all blocks are that bad!

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I just bunged a stant high pressure cap on my car (20psi) as it was hanging around,

The car (NA 1380 st2 head 276 ect with a 2core rad and 88 degree stat) used to run a bit over 90 on the gauge and creep up towards 100 at junctions,

now it runs at 85-90 with no sign of it going higher yet,

is anyone else running higher pressure rad caps?

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



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On 4th of Dec, 2006 at 07:07pm mini13 said:
is anyone else running higher pressure rad caps?


Yep. *smiley*

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it will in the summwer thats for sure, i need a 74 thermo plus a extra rad.

good work on the block, as for bore flexing i cant see it on 1380cc bore but may be if you run to 74.7.

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