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On 9th Sep, 2014 apbellamy said:
On 9th Sep, 2014 Brett said:
the shell could in theory be removed and the whole car could still be driven

You can't just say something like that and then not do it...

the its a fully welded cage *happy*, so whilst the theory is correct removing the shell would mean destroying it :(

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No not necessarily a bad thing... remember the fibreglass silhouette shell ive still got for sale *wink*

Edited by D4VE on 9th Sep, 2014.

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Can you post some photos of how you have tied into the front subframe

I am still figuring what to do with mine, for me the main problem is trying to tie things together 'across' the toeboard as any tubes placed like this have to pass behind the pedals

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I can do mate, will be later though as i cant upload straight from the phone
Its no where near the standard of your conversion though *wink*

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that awkward moment when you realise you dont have any pictures of the cage

Edited by Brett on 5th Jun, 2020.

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found this too

Edited by Brett on 5th Jun, 2020.

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Cheers Brett,

If you do get any of the inside at any point I'd be interested to see, especially the stuff going on behind the accel pedal.

1000 bhp / metric ton is going some, how much do you reckon 600hp spec will cost, how do the Honda boys get on gearbox wise at this power / torque level?

Cheers

P.S. Your build is just fine, I think for your intended purpose (Strippage *happy*) everything is exactly where it needs to be, as far forward and as low down as it can be. But I really would ensure something like 22x8x13 slicks can be accommodated *smiley*

Edited by Aubrey_Boy on 11th Sep, 2014.


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just been to grab these, i apologise if there crap lol
its not finnished yet that bit just needs tidying with a grinder and paint *tongue*

Edited by Brett on 5th Jun, 2020.

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as you can see the mini is full o crap,
the 1st and 3rd pic may actually be the same what you can see there doesnt interfere with the heels either throttle brake or clutch the clutch pedal is the closest when its fully down
power wise these bottom ends there is a good few examples running 500bhp on stock internals and forged pistons, that really is the limit on the cylinder liners, to punch through 500 reliably you need a set of sleeves the best ones are by darton and are used in all the 1000bhp civics,
forged pistons rods and darton sleeved will see you up to 700, ive been reliably told the heads dont start to restrict untill around 750bhp
the gearboxes again seem to cope with 700 quite easily, the factory lsd boxes seem to be the ones to go for, there are straight cut gear kits and sequential mechanisms but these are big bucks lol
i would say a fully built a series turbo k head would set you back 8-10k a full on build with the B series would be in the same cash scale but net 4x the power

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On 11th Sep, 2014 Aubrey_Boy said:

P.S. Your build is just fine, I think for your intended purpose (Strippage *happy*) everything is exactly where it needs to be, as far forward and as low down as it can be. But I really would ensure something like 22x8x13 slicks can be accommodated *smiley*


Cheers, that comment really does mean alot, i have been holding back on posting alot of stuff because everyone seems to point out the faults or what could or probably should be done instead
and i agree a move to 13s are planned 4 of the above should make it shift quite well *wink*

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Thanks again Brett,

Nah you just need x2 of the slicks, any more is just ballast *happy* (IMHO)

The cage related welding looks more than competent, I can't see the other welds clearly. I find it especially difficult to weld in the car (getting too old, can't ever get comfortable or properly see what I am doing) and as you can see from my build I get most of the other stuff done by a friend because welding does my head in, just seems so hit and miss

I am sure the Wilwood pedal box I have has longer pedals than std Mini which is causing some of the routing issues.

My thoughts are entirely similar to what you have done already as far as internal bracing goes.

Not specific to what you have done, but definitely be 100% sure about how you attach the forward lower tie bar (whatever it's called) Under braking this joint sees a lot of load and is along way from the stiffest parts of the frame (the bulkhead area) I chickened out from having any forward mounting points because of this

500Hp on std internals and gearbox!, now that is some proper Honda over engineering, the gearbox especially I am concerned at half that with mine...

Edited by Aubrey_Boy on 11th Sep, 2014.


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Edited by Brett on 5th Jun, 2020.

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damn ,,,now i want a Honda engine.

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Robert, you would be able to extract 6000hp from 7psi going by your track record.

Looking great Brett. So it's confirmed that the rear wheels won't be dragged up the strip then?

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Are you going to put a tube from the where the two tubes meet in the centre of the bulkhead (just above the tunnel) to the passenger side A pillar? (like the roll centre design).

Or the normal subframe mounts still aren't doing anything.

Really like the bottom mount idea though, really good way to tie in the subframe, good stuff!


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That looks good to me, it's 'contained' in the corner of two pieces of box section, its not just welded to the side of the box section like I have seen on some, the joint is positioned in the middle of the box section so its not creating any nasty bending moments, as long as the welding is OK it's as good any solution I have seen.

I like the positioning of the engine mounts on Honda / K series conversions as the powertain weight is held much closer to the bulkhead, the structure forward of this is really only for the lower tie bar, on the XE I don't like the fact that the two main engine mounts are so far from the bulkhead, I looked at doing something similar but just had to get started and it was another complication holding things up.

You have tied the towers to resist twisting which is good, the only bit that I never like about cut up A Series frames is the area below top wishbone front mount/nut it looks like its in fresh air as I know that there is no room to reinstate the vertical piece that was originally there, but everyone is like this so it can't be too much of a problem.

The hybrid subframe that was originally in my car was 33kg!

Cheers

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I didn't realise that AWD was on the cards, have you had a CRV (that's the box they use?) gearbox in there?

Just wondered if there is clearance under / around the rack for the transfer gubbins, your lateral rear brace (up behind the rack) looks suspiciously tucked out of the way as though you have already considered this *smiley*

Edited by Aubrey_Boy on 12th Sep, 2014.


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On 12th Sep, 2014 alexcrosse said:
Are you going to put a tube from the where the two tubes meet in the centre of the bulkhead (just above the tunnel) to the passenger side A pillar? (like the roll centre design).

Or the normal subframe mounts still aren't doing anything.

Really like the bottom mount idea though, really good way to tie in the subframe, good stuff!


yes the mount for the gear selector mech will be quite high and i plan on making this tie in with that inverted 'V', the main dash rail and the tunnel a bit further back, maybe even the rear most cage section ( across the old rear seat heal board)
but id like to do this without adding much weight, so its one of those offer up and think about it type jobs
main priority is to have the gear stick mounted as stiff as possible because this will get some stick from mee *tongue*


On 12th Sep, 2014 Aubrey_Boy said:
That looks good to me, it's 'contained' in the corner of two pieces of box section, its not just welded to the side of the box section like I have seen on some, the joint is positioned in the middle of the box section so its not creating any nasty bending moments, as long as the welding is OK it's as good any solution I have seen.


i will find another pic too of the other angle,

On 12th Sep, 2014 Aubrey_Boy said:
I like the positioning of the engine mounts on Honda / K series conversions as the powertain weight is held much closer to the bulkhead, the structure forward of this is really only for the lower tie bar, on the XE I don't like the fact that the two main engine mounts are so far from the bulkhead, I looked at doing something similar but just had to get started and it was another complication holding things up.


yes i built the engine mounts the 2 outer ones hold up the whole weight the front and back ones are angled more to contain the torque, i have use landrover v8 engine mounts, there like a 3 inch rubber bobbings, will have to see how long they last *happy*

On 12th Sep, 2014 Aubrey_Boy said:
You have tied the towers to resist twisting which is good, the only bit that I never like about cut up A Series frames is the area below top wishbone front mount/nut it looks like its in fresh air as I know that there is no room to reinstate the vertical piece that was originally there, but everyone is like this so it can't be too much of a problem.

The hybrid subframe that was originally in my car was 33kg!


yes stopping the towers from twisting was a big problem i could deflect the top arm by an inch with my hands i do have a picture of the way i cured this, as it turned out the triangulation i added plus the strengthening section inside the tower and the sheet of steel i bent to go under it has stiffened up the towers no end.
my frame bare is 28kg iirc but the strength and stiffness when i was testing it really surprised me the only part of this frame that i doubt is the tie bar mounts, its the point that takes all the force of a launch ( if we assume zero twist in the top arm)
and the reason i have built them as strong as i can

Cheers
On 12th Sep, 2014 Aubrey_Boy said:

EDIT:

I didn't realise that AWD was on the cards, have you had a CRV (that's the box they use?) gearbox in there?

Just wondered if there is clearance under / around the rack for the transfer gubbins, your lateral rear brace (up behind the rack) looks suspiciously tucked out of the way as though you have already considered this *smiley*



Yes, i think now is a good time to come clean lol, im quite surprised no one has poked a little further than simply suggesting it as a possibility ( i think Paul_r was the first haha)

the 4wd system is done and in the lateral rear brace as you suggest is tucked up nicely for this reason, also the reason why i have done a few things slightly different

Edited by Brett on 12th Sep, 2014.

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this is how it stood 6 odd months ago
Uncle Carls at force racing built some arms to my specs and also a beam to hang them from
the rest of it i built, the whole rear end including diff weighs less than a standard rear subframe only just though
im going to dig out some pictures showing what it started as, upto how it is now


the main points the design had to include was to mount every part of the rear end from be mounted to the cage as good as if it was one piece and able to be jacked up fast without damage to the diffuser thats yet to be built and to look good, the rear most triangle will be visible once the diffuser is fitted,

Edited by Brett on 5th Jun, 2020.

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Oh yes!!!!!

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On 11th Sep, 2014 Brett said:

i have been holding back on posting alot of stuff because everyone seems to point out the faults or what could or probably should be done instead


Well I for one am glad your back posting updates, that looks really good mate, proper.

Liking the triangulationage *Clapping*

Much more interesting than some giffer writing an essay on how he saved 2g today *oh well*

You should be proud, more pics... *happy*


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strengthening for the top arms / towers

rear arms and beams












Edited by Brett on 5th Jun, 2020.

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the start of the rear end

Edited by Brett on 5th Jun, 2020.

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