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Why do some lay shafts have 5 lines on the large end face

Metro turbo weekend driver,Mini turbo in the making again!

I have found a source for GOOD layshafts. its a bit far away though:S

Heritage MG Parts,
97-103 Victoria St,
Smithfield NSW
2164 Australia.

email Max at heritagemg@bigpond.com.au
website www.mgspareparts.com.au
phone 61 2 9609 3988
fax 61 2 9609 3955

I have also talked with Swiftune about it, and they are working on making their own as minispares ones did cope with the standard. shocking:)

Min-its list a competition layshaft A+ in their parts list, £19 inc VAT I believe?

Might be worth a look guys? This is what is in my gearbox, I bought and built this long before this issue came to light, and it will be a while before I know how it stands up.
May be worth a go on the "file test"?

the one with the lines in the large end is a genuine one.

i have found several in cache of gearbox bits to which im going to insert this year.

always looking for them bigger bunches of bannanas

Metro turbo weekend driver,Mini turbo in the making again!

BTW swiftune also used good secondhand ones now:)

perhaps stupid question, but..... would be worth to nitride shaft?
i found very chip place to do it in my country. only 1 pound for kg.

yes but it would have to be repolished to the correct size afterwards at a guess but worth a go and try one after it has been done for that price

always looking for them bigger bunches of bannanas

Im on nights for the next couple of weeks,so will be inlaying a few with tungstone carbide on the bearing surfaces.

Just wondering if it is worth doing the small end journal which fits in the gearbox case,and perhaps making it a bit larger,as i've noticed quite bad fretting on the couple of shafts I have here.

would an engine building place be able to re bore/hone the hole in the case out,as I expect a lot of cases would have a over size/oval hole in them.

What would be a good size to make it

Edited by Dangerous on 20th Jan, 2006.

Metro turbo weekend driver,Mini turbo in the making again!

i would sugest a new locating tounge from minispares as this is were the wear will come from as the shaft is allowed to move about.

they are only pence each

always looking for them bigger bunches of bannanas

i rang JKD teh other day, as im after some parts, i was informed that they offer 'their own' layshafts for about £30. These 'otherminisparesgenuinenonsense' layshafts were obviously made as a batch by one of the large companies and then distributed around to other dealers, such as morspeed (where i got my nonsense shaft) and minispeed (other nonsenseshafts have been purchased from there), possibly even mini-its?

Personally i will be giving the JKD shaft a test, i'll ask for conformation if its been hardened over the phone when i order, but i think this is going to be the best bet for the mean time for a good replacement.

The only other source as i see it is possibly the devil themselves, in minisport as they *dont* tend to buy stock from minispares. They tend to get their own *similar* products made up. These *similar* products are often found to be of lesser quality in the long run, but by chance (i've heard rumours that they sell hardened ones) they might actually be better if they have had any hardening at all.

I've seen the future and tbh its Pie

I've seen the future and tbh its Pie

Here are the answers from MSC.

these are the answers i have found for you so far.

1) the minispares layshaft is NOT sold as genuine. its about two years since it was advertised as such. at that point they where the last genuine ones from rover / powertrain. when they ran out we stopped advertising them as such. they come from a external source now.

2) the minispares layshaft is NOT sold as a upgraded item.

3) we use the 'rover' part number for identification only.

4) the reason the layshafts are soft where the bearings dont run is simple. they are not hardened there!, they are only hardened where they need to be. this, i guess is for economic reasons.

5) the reason we stopped making the upgraded one was simple. we got sick of people complaining about the price and demanding a cheaper item. note - this is what you expect when people slag of the price of the stuff we sell. if you want to pay huddersfield prices you will get huddersfield quality!!!

6) this (above) is the reason that pre a plus layshatfs are still avalible as upgraded material. the people who run remote type boxes tend to be in a different economic group (i.e middle aged blokes) who dont complain at every pound we charge, they tend to be more appreciative of the quality, rather than the cost.


7) however, due to the post you sent we are going to look in to having the 'comp' spec layshaft remade, though be aware it wont be a £10 special!!!!. it will probably be case hardened throughout.

8) one point i dont understand is this. if people are having a real or imaginary problem with something they have bought, then why dont they ring, write or email potters bar and tell them. if there is a 'problem' with the layshaft how are we ment to know. i for one am not physic (ive spelt that wrong, i just know i have!)

Edited by Vegard on 1st Feb, 2006.

vegard i got one from minisapres a few weeks back and it says genuine on the packaging ive now given it to dangerous to chop up but im sure i could get a photo to prove they are selling it as genuine

Well, don't tell me, tell Minispares. See point 8 above.

MiniSpares are well aware of the issue I understand.

Having been keeping an eye on this topic I was under the impression that MiniSpares were still making the uprated layshaft and it was this shaft that was the topic. Not having to have bought one I didn't realise that they were NLA.

I for one would in a situation like this, where a relativly cheap part could cause big problems would be willing to put money into a fund to enable a number of parts to be bought and properly tested.

At the moment I have a genuine BL/Rover layshaft, and a Minispares "currently available for purchase" layshaft.

I will hopefully (as long as I can blag the favour) be getting these both hardness tested in due course.

Vegard , They must still be as it says "geuine" on the packaging!! So how can they NOT be....

") the minispares layshaft is NOT sold as genuine. its about two years since it was advertised as such. at that point they where the last genuine ones from rover / powertrain. when they ran out we stopped advertising them as such. they come from a external source now.
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I think you're missing the point. All it says is 'genuine' ie - it is a genuine layshaft inside the packaging, not an imaginary one.


Thought I'd better just clear that up before any more confusion arises.

yes cheers Dave, now i no what the word means LOL.

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I rang JKD as i had an email from them regarding bronze baulk rings (which it turns out they dont sell, even though they sent me a mail saying they did). I asked for phone conformation if their 'competition' £32(IIRC)+VAT layshaft was hardened etc, let just say they didnt get back to me :(

I've seen the future and tbh its Pie

minispeed are selling comp hardened layshafts for £19

i might buy one today see what its like

I noticed last night in the most recent minispeed advert that they are selling a new upraded layshaft,

The advert says, And I quote

New Products
High Quality race-quality EN36 steel Layshaft
Aseries, A+ and 3sync available
Rockwell C60, Case depth 40 thou

£35

Just found this and thought you may be interested

http://www.theminiforum.co.uk/forums/index...showtopic=25296