Yokohama A-032R WARNING !!!!
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And the mystery goes on ---.

Sorry if I cast nasturtiums all over your tyre fitter but I could envisage what I said, occurring out of your view, but I am wrong.

I agree, tyre inspection is a random process and usually finishes up with the end user, unless the fitter notices something obvious.

Will follow this thread with interest.

could damage in transit be an option?

no longer a series, but still 1.3 turbo.

IMO.

no no no& no,

having cut a few tyres off rims all the beads i have seen have been a group of wires 1-2mm apart in a uniform pattern, the mere fact that they are not like this shout defect to me.

Does anyone have "scrap" A-032Rs they could cut open to see how the wires are bundled? If they're all nice and tight it'd add some wight to the "non-conformant manufacture" argument?

Well, it drags on....

After Yokohama ignored my email, this was the letter I submitted



I got this reply today (ie, just when the deadline expired)



So this is my reply.



I shall wait and see, nothing is going to happen over the Xmas/new year break.

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???

well, that's to the point Rod

and quite rightly so.

keep fighting I do however feel it does nothing for your blood pressure.

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Thanks both but it actually reduces my blood presure by giving (what I think) is a measured response to their evasive non-answer.

Note they also sent it to MiniSpares, not me (i just got a copy) so they are prepared to play the "Sale of Goods Act" game.

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???

I would like to be a fly on the wall when that gets read. I don't think you could have been more clear on concise. Perhaps your next letter should include your qualifications (From your posts, I'm assumming you are well qualified in your field)

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???

hats off for following this through, and i do hope it goes somewhere, as many wouldnt persevere in your shoes, past perhaps going to trading standard to simply try obtain a refund. I certainly wouldnt have the patience/drive. Interested to see what VOSA say :)

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Denis O'Brien.

Fair play to you Rod.

I read with great interest as I also purchased from the same said batch.

Are you still in possession of said tyre.?

I only ask as I had a failure of a set of rear discs on my Clio. Which I returned for warranty. And they refused.

After a load of emails and phone conversations and getting the manufacture involved. It came to a stalemate in a legal loop hole.

I eventually ask for the return of the discs. To which they answered that they had been conveniently disposed of.

I then sent a letter stating that were still my property and had no right to dispose of them without consulting me first.

Anyway this forced their hand and they had to admit that they were still my property. and had to refund me the value of the discs. A result, but not the one I wanted.

So keep up the good work... you will get some sort of resolution I hope it the right one.

Si

Edited by Si P on 22nd Dec, 2009.

I drill holes in everything..!

As said above, fair play for sticking to your guns!

I would of thought Yokohama would do anything to stop Vosa getting involved.

The way they have used the word "probably" certainly suggests they aren't 100% certain of the cause.

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for the cost of the tyres involved I can't see how its important to them to keep writing letters...

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Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???

Thats very good of him to follow this up with you and to have a look at a few beads :)

have you considered cutting one of the other yoko's to inspect the bead? depends on their reply to your Q about the bundling though.

To cut another brand new one at my own expense is rather expensive - I would rather let VOSA pay for that....

But I'm considering getting VOSA's agreement for me to chop out some of the un-failed areas of the failed tyre before they collect it.... so I can see the wire configuration and even call in a few favours and get the wires tested for UTS.

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???

I had to laugh at the 'probably' conclusion.

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this is scary stuff, hats off to you for taking it all the way

Hi not sure if your interested but i have some 032's you can have to cut up to look at the bead pattern, im in Warwick near Coventry if so.

Iv a couple which are quite used and some which arent i think.

I had a problem with mine but im not sure weather it was a manufacturer error or a fitting error, on 1 or 2 of the tyres the sidewalls bulged out in a big way after about 20 miles,...as a result i decided not to use them much...think at least 1 of the tyres it quite unused.
only problem being they are fitted on SHITE rims (midland wheels 10 inchers) as a result i wont be able to remove them from the rim without cutting them off anyway...your welcome to them by all means

Edited by mini93 on 3rd Jan, 2010.

David.

David,

Yes, VERY interested.

Especially if you have one with a partial sidewall failure after only 20 miles.

Mine hasn't yet been collected by VOSA (Christmas and New Year break so I haven't chased them yet) but being able to send them a low mileage damaged one as well could be very usefull.

They will return them to me anyway to cut up at leisure.

I would rather it was not cut off so I'll PM you (tommorow) a couple of proposals (all at my cost) to get it to me whole - just need to check courier prices.

Rod.

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???

I can understand you not wanting to cut them off if you want to look into what to sort then of course. I had my mini friendly guy trying to remove 1 tyre from 1 wheel for neigh on an hour and wasnt able to do it...
bit of background on how iv used the tyres if you like: i bought the tyres from midland wheels and took my rims to them (which i got with my rally car which were bought previously from MWS) I heard stories from my friend they had to heat the tyres up to get them on so im not sure if thats true or not (sounds horrendious though!)
i used the tyres for less than 20 miles on a rally at rockingham, smooth tarmac, engine failed as a result the car was left standing for a couple of months...this might be one reason the side walls bulged but the cars previously sat on 008's for same or longer periods of time with no tyre deformation and it left me a little suspisious and being not all of them met the same fate.

ill be selling the wheels soon anyway and dont want to sell them with the tyres on seeing as 1 or 2 have failed (dont fancy even feeling guilty if they blew out and caused an accident) so as i say, either way the tyres will be removed so your welcome to them

David.

Im not sure if its the same for your wheels, but i had some minilight 10" wheels from midland wheels, i had a nightmare getting one of the tyres on them, then i had a look at the actual wheel and the beads are backwards to normal wheels, so i stuck it on the machine upside down and the tyres then went on easy as any other tyre....

Might be worth a check as i had a nightmare gettin the first tyre on mine...

yeah, we tried it both front and back several times with multiple levers, bead pressing machines etc, as i wasnt hanging about at MWS when they fitted unfortunatly i didnt see how they go around fitting them

David.

I was wondering how this story ended?

Rod S, what did VOSA say about the tyre?

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