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Rod S

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I'm going to use "superseal" (rather than "econoseal") in the engine bay but the largest they come in is 6 way.
IRRC, econoseal is even less which is why I've drawn it out for the superseal ones.

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???


Paul S

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I might just separate the ECU signals and earth into a 5/6 pin and then a 2 pin for the 12v and earth. There going off to separate components anyway.

Superseal sounds favourite.

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Rod S

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I found them cheapest here
http://www.thewiringproject.co.uk/search.a...Superseal%27%27

Not one of the normal suppliers, but if you know better, let me know, I'll be ordering shortly.

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???


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There are 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 10 and 13 way econoseal connectors.

Try Polevolt

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


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I used polevolt for my connectors, can't fault their service! *wink*

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Rod S

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Hmmm,

I don't normally look at Polevolt as you have to down load their catalogue as a pdf and can't order online.

I might be a bit out of date as the last one I downloaded was July08 and I can see 2,3,4,6 and 13 but no 8 or 10s....

I shall look again as I would really like a "waterproof" connector greater than 6 way but I don't really want 13 *frown*

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???


stevieturbo

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On 27th Mar, 2009 Paul S said:
Thanks Stevie.

I was actually thinking about cutting the white connector off and fitting something readily available in the UK like an econoseal or similar.

It's actually 7 pins, the five you mentioned and two grounds.


You only need 5 though.

1 power, and 4 triggers from ecu.

Ground the other pins locally at the coils.

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On 27th Mar, 2009 PaulH said:
Is it only me that feals a very large breeze blowing over the top of my head when I open this thread :(


More like a hurricane for me :)


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On 28th Mar, 2009 Rod S said:
I found them cheapest here
http://www.thewiringproject.co.uk/search.a...Superseal%27%27

Not one of the normal suppliers, but if you know better, let me know, I'll be ordering shortly.


The M-Cal link I gave is much chaper than that.

In fact, using the 6 way's as an example, M-Cal is over £1 cheaper per kit.

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Rod S

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On 28th Mar, 2009 stevieturbo said:



On 28th Mar, 2009 Rod S said:
I found them cheapest here
http://www.thewiringproject.co.uk/search.a...Superseal%27%27

Not one of the normal suppliers, but if you know better, let me know, I'll be ordering shortly.


The M-Cal link I gave is much chaper than that.

In fact, using the 6 way's as an example, M-Cal is over £1 cheaper per kit.


Thanks Stevie,

I didn't look at the link you posted at the time as the "econoseal" vs "superseal" question came later.

That's another supplier whom I'd never heard of before..... (now bookmarked).

Rod.

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???


Gerald O

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Hi, new member here. I've been following Paul S's progress on his sequential injection project for a while now. I don't own a Mini, but I'm working on a similar project: MGB 'B' series 1800. It shares some of the same challenges as the Mini 'A' series, in that it has the siamesed inlet ports, and a 5-port head.

I'm working on the ignition right now and have been putting together much the same setup for that as Paul. I'd like to share a little bit of what I've found. I'm using a slightly different LS2 coil - the ones without the heatsinks, but they share the same connectors. I found the mating connectors at several places here in the US and ordered a few. The connector is a "Delphi Metripack 150" series, 8-cavity.
These are the part numbers and the prices from the place I ordered from:
http://www.KeefePerformance.com


Description: 12047937 metripack 150 connector,
Item No: 12047937
Unit price: $1.38 USD

Description: 12066304 - 8 cavity 150 metripack lock,
Item No: 12066304
Unit price: $0.29 USD

Description: 12048074 150 metripack female terminal,
Item No: 12048074
Unit price: $0.17 USD
(8 needed)

Description: White Metripack Seal 15324976,
Item No: 15324976
Unit price: $0.14 USD
(8 needed)

Hope this helps.

http://www.keefeperformance.com/metripack150/12047937.html

Edited by Gerald O on 1st Apr, 2009.


Paul S

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Hi Gerald, thanks for the information.

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stevieturbo

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Excellent...good info. Thanks.

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speed didn't kill me, but taxation probably will


Joe C

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Good first post Gerald! :)

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



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Hang on a minuit lads *happy*



I have four of these

How much are they worth to those who need them?

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


Gerald O

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I've made mods to the rev3 board to set up for 4-sparks, 5V logic level output. This is basicly my implementation of what's documented here:
http://www.msextra.com/ms2extra/MS2-Extra_Ignition.htm
toward bottom of page 'ground switching'

I used a 2n2222 to build the 4th 'spark-D' circuit, just copying the other 3 LED drive circuits.


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Gerald O

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The LS2 coil appears to want a high-going pulse for the dwell period. This means set the spark output setting in "Ignition Options" to "Going Low (Normal)". My understanding is that it has a built in dwell limiter though, so if you go over something like 5ms setting it just internally limits it to about 5ms.

Here's a scope trace of the IGN output that's driving spark A from the modified circuit, at 1.5ms dwell (the other 3 spark signals look the same):


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jbelanger

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Gerald,

Just a little advice: you should clean the flux off the board. It can cause annoying problems because it can be conductive or become conductive after a while (because it absorbs moisture).

Use isopropyl alcohol (rubbing alcohol) to clean the board (99% works best).

Jean

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Gerald O

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Yes, I will do that, thanks.
I just made the mods this evening, but it will get cleaned next. :)

The rest of the board was already cleaned before.

Better now? *happy*


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jbelanger

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Looks goooooood! :)

I'm glad to know you were already planning to do it. Hopefully someone else will learn something.

Jean

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Paul S

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On 1st Apr, 2009 Sprocket said:
Hang on a minuit lads *happy*

I have four of these

How much are they worth to those who need them?


I'll take two please. How much?

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Stephen Hawking - "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge."


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sorry to be thick, but what is the main advantage of coil on plug?

Apart from a neater install, and no HT leads.

What I suppose I'm asking is will it make my engine have more power?

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On 15th May, 2009 TurboDave said:

I think the welsh one has it right!


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Paul S

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It got to be better than a shagged out coil from an old fiesta.

Who knows what the advantage will be at 25 psi boost - maybe you should try it.

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Stephen Hawking - "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge."


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On 2nd Apr, 2009 Jimster said:
sorry to be thick, but what is the main advantage of coil on plug?

Apart from a neater install, and no HT leads.



You only loose one cylinder if a plug or coil fails. I doubt you get any more power than you would with any other coil with the right dwell. Neatness and space saving were the reason I used them.

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


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On 2nd Apr, 2009 Paul S said:

On 1st Apr, 2009 Sprocket said:
Hang on a minuit lads *happy*

I have four of these

How much are they worth to those who need them?


I'll take two please. How much?


I cannot remember how much I paid for these as I bought them through a division of the company I work for

£6 each plus £1.50 postage

?

Any one else, there be two still left. I could possably get some more, but the price may be more, infact Im sure it would be knowing the cost of parts at our company *oh well*

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........

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