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Joe C

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I dont think they make much difference Paul,

the KPI is higher, moving the point where it intersects with the ground outward toward the wheel centreline, but th think that is pretty much countered by the metro hub pushing the wheel out approx 4mm.

also i am using mini drive flanges so the wheel is bought back in about 10mm compered to metro flanges.

One thing Iam doing that i have always belived to be the corect is using mini arms on the metro hubs. I've always thought this must be the right thing to do, but after having a good think about what the geometry is doing the metro ones are probably closer to what is needed. plus they will lower the steering ratio making things more managable.

somthing worth noting is some of fastest cars on here (with little or no torquesteer) use metro hubs or hubs with metro geometry

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denis has somethiing along thsese lines i think .

Medusa + injection = too much torque for the dyno ..https://youtu.be/qg5o0_tJxYM


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Sweet brakes, always wanted to fabricate a bracket to take non standard setup, awesome!

Needs a grille IMHO


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I will ask on Tuesday for you.

I don't know if they are in bradwell tbh just a bloke that came in off the street as it were.

I've been looking to go over to metro hubs so I will be interested to see if you can sort the handling out.

I think you need a set of force racing rims! then you can get the perfect offset!




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Hope you find the source Joe.
It was a strange driving it. Felt like your losing the back end, like a powerful rear wheel drive car in a straight line. Really have to fight it...putting your foot down made it alot worse. Very bizzare.

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On 24th May, 2009 Jason G said:
Hope you find the source Joe.
It was a strange driving it. Felt like your losing the back end, like a powerful rear wheel drive car in a straight line. Really have to fight it...putting your foot down made it alot worse. Very bizzare.


my car did this too. i run a little toe out and corner weights wernt set at the time, dont know exactly why i twas hapenig, but as the cornerweights wernt set it would light up one wheel, the resulting "torque steer" (thought its technicalyl wheelspin/slip) woudl shift the weight of the car onto the other back wheel, it would then take over the rear steering, you would correct with the steering wheel, the weight would shift, the other rear wheel would take over. in a straight line it was manageable, but mid corner it was bloody skary, the rear would go one way then the other in a pendulum motion, more throttle, worse it got.

Long and short, get your suspension and cornerweights set properly before condeming any suspension parts :)

FWIW i love how my mini roll's on metro hubs and metro steering arms. turning circle is crap, but i can comfortably sit at over 100mph and take corners easily, somehting i could never do with mini steering arms, was too twitchy!

also fit metro and mini steering arms and look how the track rod come sout of the steering rack. with mini arms its at an angle, placing lots of load on teh rack bushings(particularly the passenger side!) with metro arms its more straight, and the rack is subject to less flex and wear :)

at any rate its all subjective though, what i love you may hate!

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denis is that with mini flanges ? and what offset on your wheels?

Medusa + injection = too much torque for the dyno ..https://youtu.be/qg5o0_tJxYM


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metro flanges, but even taking these into account im sure the scrub radius is less than on an all mini setup as i compared the two setups side by side. i fyou can reduce the scrub radius further by useing mini flanges im going to have to look into it! sounds interesting!!

7*13 ET6. i have tried narrower higher offset wheels and as you would expect tehre much nicer, but im a tart at heart and i like the look of the starmags. my current hub/suspension setup makes them perfectly driveabel nowadays anyway imho :) (sorry for the slight hijack!)

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hario, i normally do have a grille on, just havent got round to sticking it back after changing the oil. also if anyone wants the dimensions for the brake parts let me know and i'll sort them out once i've got it all together and know its right.

thats very interesting Denis, sounds very much like what mine is doing. I read your posts on 16v forum, interesting stuff, :)

one thought i had is my steering requires VERY little movement to corner, i think that the metro hubs have the boltholes for the steering arm further from the top balljoint giving a higher steering ratio.


On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
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i think i found the mini flanges were 6mm inset denis , so that would take you to 12mm inset or 0 if your at 6mm outset now .you may have to nib off the side of the steering arm for disc clearance .

Medusa + injection = too much torque for the dyno ..https://youtu.be/qg5o0_tJxYM


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as the lathe i have at work is a little bit wafty I decided to get the brake bells made up for me, below is the result...

pretty happy with them for 60quid for the pair delivered.



just need to check the fit, and then scotch brite them and drop them off to the anodisers.

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Nice are the bells (I think that's the right name for them) steel or ally?

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Joe C

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ally.

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
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Hum at that price I might have to get a pair made to help cut down the weigh on my car.

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thats just the bell by the way.

the discs are 10.25" wilwoods.

the guy that made them is user Aband from 16v minis, he seems to do a far amout of stuff for the gus on there, as an example he does sleeved shafts for 30 quid a pair. cant argue with that.

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
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joe , is there much of a radius in the corners on those bells ?,oh , very smart by the way ,,,rear wheels off the ground under braking i think ..?

Medusa + injection = too much torque for the dyno ..https://youtu.be/qg5o0_tJxYM


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On 19th Jun, 2009 Rob H said:
Nice are the bells (I think that's the right name for them) steel or ally?


That's the same isn't it? Steel is an iron alloy!

On 13th Jul, 2012 Ben H said:
Mine gets in the way a bit, but only when it is up. If it is down it does not cause a problem.



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You're talking about alloy Vegard...they're talking about ally. *wink*


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On 19th Jun, 2009 Rob H said:
Nice are the bells (I think that's the right name for them) steel or ally?


That's the same isn't it? Steel is an iron alloy!

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Joe C

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yeah! ALLY! lol

Good point robert!

there is a small radius in the corner, thinking about it now it would have been wise to get a nice big one... hmm i'll mull that one over.

It will be interesting to see what the brakes are like with these on.

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
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Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



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On 20th Jun, 2009 Vegard said:



On 19th Jun, 2009 Rob H said:
Nice are the bells (I think that's the right name for them) steel or ally?


That's the same isn't it? Steel is an iron alloy!


Ally - Abbreviation for Aluminum

Alloy - An alloy is a partial or complete solid solution of one or more elements in a metallic matrix.

Definitely not the the same, although pure aluminum is rarely used and most types of aluminum are actually alloys containing copper, zinc, manganese, silicon, or magnesium.

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This setup is looking nice Joe. Those discs are huge!

In the 13's at last!.. Just


Joe C

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well, i have to whole heartedly agree....

just finished sticking the metty arms on, and even with the tracking out a bit its MASSIVELY more stable and easier to drive(cant quite get enough adjustment, so its toeing in a fair bit)

still need to take out the kad rack stops and trim the end of the rack to get some toe out, but its gone from where you cant hold full throttle at 8 psi through fear of dieing to just feeling lively! :)



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On 24th May, 2009 Jason G said:
Hope you find the source Joe.
It was a strange driving it. Felt like your losing the back end, like a powerful rear wheel drive car in a straight line. Really have to fight it...putting your foot down made it alot worse. Very bizzare.


my car did this too. i run a little toe out and corner weights wernt set at the time, dont know exactly why i twas hapenig, but as the cornerweights wernt set it would light up one wheel, the resulting "torque steer" (thought its technicalyl wheelspin/slip) woudl shift the weight of the car onto the other back wheel, it would then take over the rear steering, you would correct with the steering wheel, the weight would shift, the other rear wheel would take over. in a straight line it was manageable, but mid corner it was bloody skary, the rear would go one way then the other in a pendulum motion, more throttle, worse it got.

Long and short, get your suspension and cornerweights set properly before condeming any suspension parts :)

FWIW i love how my mini roll's on metro hubs and metro steering arms. turning circle is crap, but i can comfortably sit at over 100mph and take corners easily, somehting i could never do with mini steering arms, was too twitchy!

also fit metro and mini steering arms and look how the track rod come sout of the steering rack. with mini arms its at an angle, placing lots of load on teh rack bushings(particularly the passenger side!) with metro arms its more straight, and the rack is subject to less flex and wear :)

at any rate its all subjective though, what i love you may hate!

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



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Joe C

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oh also have some 6x13 revo's on their way to me, so they will improve the ET by 24mm, i will probabaly mod them ala robert, the works arches can then go back on too :)

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
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Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



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another test drive then Joe me old m8???? *wink*

On 19th Jan, 2010 wil_h said:
I would start the furthest place from the finish.


On 24th Mar, 2012 apbellamy said:
I feel all special knowing that I've given your mum my wood.


Been neglecting Turbo'd 'A' series..............


Joe C

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Deffo!

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
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Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



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