Rod's build thread - new title - TSCi
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Well, after getting it running again Friday evening, here was Saturday morning.....



A fair bit of antifreeze wasted. A jubilee clip had partially stripped its threads and when I left it to cool down overnight it apparently jumped off the threads completely. All down to one silicone hose that wasn't quite the right size it was quoted to be, I've bought another make now and it fits fine.


Then on Saturday, once I had it leak free on the coolant, oil started to pour down from the rocker cover onto the exhaust manifold and start to burn.... the rubber bushes in the hold-down bolts had perished so the gasket wasn't being compressed at one end.

So I gave up and, despite the weather warnings, went to MITP on Sunday.

Put a few more faces to names and got some new bushes for the rocker cover.

So, finally leak free and started again but once it started I shut it down to reset everything in TunerStudio that had been lost a few days ago, ie, start from scratch.

Then I discovered there is a lot more to version 0.999.7 than it just crashing on me and having to re-installed it a couple of days ago......

A lot of the functionallity has been removed and it has been re-named TunerStudio Lite.

If I want the bits I was using before back again, I apparently have to "upgrade" to a "paid for" version at a cost of US$39.95

I can't use MegaTune as it doesn't display all the menu options available (and needed) for the Siamese Code (for reasons that Jean has explained to me) and now I can't use TunerStudio to the extent I need unless I pay for it.

Don't get me wrong, there are several bits of software I use where I have to pay to use enhanced features, but this is the first time I had basic features removed and been asked to pay to have them put back again.

Presumably the reason it kept crashing last week is because the various ini files in my profile had bits that were free before and now don't work as I hadn't paid for them to start working again, even though I hadn't been told....

Look like MegaSquirt is now going all commercial just like the offshoot VEMS did.

Because I didn't realise this when I allowed the "upgrades" to go ahead on both my desktop and laptop, all my previous files are trashed so I have no way backwards.... except a very old laptop that I was going to use but it was too slow... which might have an earlier version on it.

Tonight's project, try and get that old laptop working.... and if I can't get the earlier version recovered, it will be teddies out of the cot tonight and project abandoned until MegaTune works fully with the code.

A shame because I had it running quite nicely this afternoon.

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???

Rod, Phil Tobin who has written TunerStudio, isn't affiliated with MegaSquirt at all. He wrote it all off his own bat.

Its a shame he's started to charge for it though, considering how much of a shambles the code still is. Very flakey piece of software which should still be in Alpha stages, yet he charges for it now.

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???

Sorry I should have stated, I know about the size limitations of Megatune and why we are currently forced to use TunerStudio.

If anyone has access to the Megatune source, I could fix our dilema quite quickly :) But that's unlikely, so we'l have to hope they update it so that you can choose the resolution of your screen from somewhere in the software.

Just to provide a bit of balance to this discusson.

I thought that the price was reasonable and paid up.

I have never had any problems with Tuner Studio, before or after.

Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
Stephen Hawking - "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge."

What OS are you running? you might be able to restore to a previous version of the application.

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???

turbo 16v k-series 11.9@118.9 :)

Denis O'Brien.

The way TunerStudio went from a free "trials" version to a paid for version has irked quite a few people. I won't comment on it more than that... There has also been quite a few posts on this subject on the msextra forum.

MegaTunix is supposed to work with the latest alpha version (3.0.3u) but I'm not sure how well it works or how complete it is. But this is a fully open source and free project that is still being actively developed. So it could be an alternative.

The Megatune source code should be available if someone is interested in updating it. However, it's not a simple case of having it work with larger screens because there has been some additions to the ini format. But they may not be needed to have all the functions available. I'd have to check to make sure. And if someone does want to work on that code, I'll make the simplifications to the ini to have all the functions there if needed.

Jean

http://www.jbperf.com/

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???

We will have to agree to disagree with this one.

I always feel in debt to these people who spend countless hours of their lives doing something that benefits thousands of others.

I was actually pleased to be able to make a payment.

Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
Stephen Hawking - "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge."

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???

It sounds like a very underhand thing to do. But principles aside, to call an utter halt to your progress for the sake of £25 or whatever strikes me as cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???

The development of Tuner Studio came about as Eric Falhgren no longer supported Megatune.

This then meant that to support the ongoing development of the MS/Extra code it was necessary for someone to eveolve it into something else and provide ongoing support.

We have assumed that Tuner Studio was going to be free, but was it possibly the case that it was always going to have a cost once fully developed? I never thought to ask.

If it will help Rod, I can lend you my TS registration code whilst I'm not using it. I really need you to keep your project moving.

Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
Stephen Hawking - "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge."

Thanks for the offer Paul but whilst I'm standing on my high moral principles that would make me as devious and underhand as "Paul Tobin" whoever he/she is :)

It's not the cost, which is peanuts compared to everything else so far (as you can well appreciate), just the principle.

If he/she had been honest enough to say "when you click on this upgrade a load of things are going to stop working unless you send me some money", and I'm 99% sure all my data was corrupted as a result, then I would have had a choice.

Anyway, I'm now configuring an old laptop to run both MegaTune and TS "Lite" to see how easy it is to make some progress.

I'm setting it up on and old one as I'm sure at some point it will get hurled across the garage floor when I get the msq files out of step and I don't want to damage my good laptop :)

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???

I dont pretend to understand all the technicalities on this thread but it has been fascinating to follow and it will be a great shame if it cannot continue.

Rod clearly has high principles as he has declined an offer of the use of the system he can no longer access, and I guess he would refuse the offer of someone else paying for him, or I would suggest that we chip in to help out -money is clearly not an issue for Rod,but giving it to this guy is !

Can you not reconsider Rod, and make life not only easier for yourself but continue this fascinating project ?

It might help stabilise your blood pressure too !

Don't worry David, I'm continuing, just working my way around the issue at the moment (the old laptop I'm setting up is so....... slow........)

I am just mega pissed off about the way I came to be in this position and will not succumb to what I see as *********

So I've decided that working around what "Phil Tobin" has done is just another challenge to add to the list :)

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???

[quote=Paul S,17th Aug, 2010]
We have assumed that Tuner Studio was going to be free, but was it possibly the case that it was always going to have a cost once fully developed? I never thought to ask.
quote]

I knew it had to be paid for in the longrun as it was stated on the original download site

On 17th Aug, 2010 sturgeo said:
I knew it had to be paid for in the longrun as it was stated on the original download site

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???

I spent some time today with all the settings within the software that had been corrupted by Ms Tobin's "upgrade" and thought I had found the problem ( a setting on injector frequency that was nearly doubling my fuel load) but even with that fixed it still ran far too rich.

So I deleted everything and re-loaded the whole siamese code to the cpu and, although a lot of other problems went away, I'm still too rich below 2K RPM.

So, I decided to set up the logging software rather than just watch it on screen or on the gauges... As I've mentioned earlier, I'm using TechEdges' "WinLog" software as it reads straight from the serial port of the MS2 as well as from the TechEdge widebands..... except, as I found out this evening, it only reads through the MS2 serial port if there is a working version of MegaTune running....

I never realised this last year as I was using Megatune by default (before Ms Tobin decided to try and screw me) so now I absolutely have to make MegaTune work again and, guess what, it won't..........

For some reason it won't accept the "ini" file from Jean's latest code and keeps reporting code mis-matches.....

I'm nearly beginning to think that filing an SU needle would be easier :)

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???

im sorry rod ,but ,as your consulting psychoanalyst , it now becomes necessary to ban you from saying the 't 'word ever again ,as a 'avoidance of ocd' strategy ..!

Medusa + injection = too much torque for the dyno ..https://youtu.be/qg5o0_tJxYM

I had to google "OCD" to what you want to prevent me from suffering from but I will take your advice......

After a bit of experimenting Megatune works up to MS-Extra release 303e but not 303r (I don't have any of the ones inbetween to see exactly when it stopped working) but as I'm using "r" and it's now up to "u" (which will apparently fix my closed loop idle problems) I think Megatune is dow dead in the water.....

Which is very annoying because the TechEdge software allowed me to log everything in one text deliniated file and has a superb display but takes all the MS2 data direct through the serial link but uses MegaTune as the interface....

As for the Tuning software, I'm going to try Jean's suggestion - MegaTunix.

As Jean says, the author states it works on the current release (303u) and having read a few threads on the Extra Forums it seems worth a go.

The author also states very clearly that it is free and his surname doesn't begin with "T".....

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???

If the other software (whatever it was called) solves all your problems, then surely it is worth spending to use it?
If it was shitty and not worth the money I could understand it. But morals aside you are now making your own life difficult for the sake of £30. More to the point it is no real skin off the nose of the guy writing the software, so really it is only yourself that is being put out.

Fair point Tom but, as I found out yesterday, even if I spent the money, it isn't compatible with the way I was logging the data previously.

So life is difficult from now on anyway.

However, the alternative that Jean suggested looks very good - I've just downloaded it and am in the process of setting it up to suit my configuration.

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???