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jbelanger

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30th Dec, 2022 at 05:42:43pm




On 30th Dec, 2022 stevieturbo said:


On 30th Dec, 2022 JonnyAlpha said:

Correct the MPI (or any VR senors) emit a sine wave. The ECU can be (and mine is) fitted with a VR Conditioner that converts the Sine Wave into the required Square wave:

https://wiki.speeduino.com/en/boards/VR_conditioner


Or just use a correct sensor from the outset.

There is nothing incorrect about that setup. Using the appropriate input conditioning circuit for a sensor doesn't make either the sensor or the circuit incorrect. A Speeduino ECU is a DIY project and you can set it up in many different ways for many different setup. And a VR sensor is perfectly fine for this application (could even be superior in some instances).

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30th Dec, 2022 at 08:05:29pm




On 30th Dec, 2022 jbelanger said:


On 30th Dec, 2022 stevieturbo said:


On 30th Dec, 2022 JonnyAlpha said:

Correct the MPI (or any VR senors) emit a sine wave. The ECU can be (and mine is) fitted with a VR Conditioner that converts the Sine Wave into the required Square wave:

https://wiki.speeduino.com/en/boards/VR_conditioner


Or just use a correct sensor from the outset.

There is nothing incorrect about that setup. Using the appropriate input conditioning circuit for a sensor doesn't make either the sensor or the circuit incorrect. A Speeduino ECU is a DIY project and you can set it up in many different ways for many different setup. And a VR sensor is perfectly fine for this application (could even be superior in some instances).

Jean


And so is using a simple hall sensor without external add ons, which adds points of failure or error for what is a critical sensor/input.

A VR sensor IS fine, when it is what the ecu is happy receiving directly.

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jbelanger

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30th Dec, 2022 at 09:35:46pm




On 30th Dec, 2022 stevieturbo said:
A VR sensor IS fine, when it is what the ecu is happy receiving directly.

Which is what his setup is. A Speeduino with that VR board is not some kludge but one of the normal supported hardware configurations. It's no more a new failure point than any of the other hand-soldered components on the board.

Jean

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JonnyAlpha

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1st Jan, 2023 at 05:10:28pm

On 30th Dec, 2022 stevieturbo said:


On 30th Dec, 2022 JonnyAlpha said:

Correct the MPI (or any VR senors) emit a sine wave. The ECU can be (and mine is) fitted with a VR Conditioner that converts the Sine Wave into the required Square wave:

https://wiki.speeduino.com/en/boards/VR_conditioner


Or just use a correct sensor from the outset.


Can you get a Hall Effect sensor like the MPI one with a protruding probe? As this is the type I need to mount behind the Crank Pulley to pick up the grub screws that are mounted in the back of it.

Speed is just a question of money, so, how fast do ya wanna go?

Steve220

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1st Jan, 2023 at 06:21:36pm

Why do you think you need the 'probe'?

stevieturbo

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1st Jan, 2023 at 08:23:54pm

you can get many shapes and sizes of hall sensor.

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JonnyAlpha

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7th Jan, 2023 at 11:33:48am

On 1st Jan, 2023 Steve220 said:
Why do you think you need the 'probe'?


Because this pulley is designed to have 35 grub screws inserted into the rear side, that act in lieu of a trigger wheel. The sensor probe extends beyond the out circumference of the pulley to sit over and pick up the grub screw heads.

https://i.imgur.com/0gmrKFM.jpg

Speed is just a question of money, so, how fast do ya wanna go?

Rod S

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7th Jan, 2023 at 05:16:10pm

VR sensor for the crank is my choice, no electronics inside it, jut a coil and magnet, and the electronics (conditioner circuit) is nice and cosy in the ECU case.

Hall sensors, esp. aftermarket ones, tend to be unreliable esp. in harsh environments.
I had two genuine Ford ones fail on my old Mondeo, cam sensor, ran in hot oil (and a pain to change).

Re. Speeduino, I built one from a kit about 4 years ago just to see how easy it was. Quite impressed for the price then and I'm sure it's come a long way in four years.

EDIT - I should add I never tried the Speeduino in the Mini because I couldn't easily replicate the siamese code that the MS2 could run. I just ran it on the bench and put it aside for another project (which I still haven't started...)

Edited by Rod S on 7th Jan, 2023.

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