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What about your head work ?
With a 10:1 CR, isn't it top of the list ?

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On 23rd Jun, 2008 paul wiginton said:

They said "That sounds rough mate." I said "Cheers it cost me a fortune to make it sound like that!"


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On 2nd Jul, 2012 Advantage said:
What about your head work ?
With a 10:1 CR, isn't it top of the list ?


I have only simple plans for the head. Just a bit of deshrouding and basic flow improvement. Valve sizes should be same as standard turbo head. I'm looking to achieve about 100 bhp around 6000 rpm so this should be adequate.
The aim of this is a nice road motor. Minimal lag, with the turbo mainly topping up the standard MPi engine to give a bit more pull at the top end.
The metro turbo was 9.4:1 CR and i've seen it run 7 psi fine (and without an intercooler). So I'm looking to test out if my increase to 10:1 CR can be offset with intercooling (which seems reasonable to me). Also I will be fabricating the manifolds so am looking to improve performance with tuned length inlet runners (based on Paul S' work) and try to reduce the disruption induced in the turbine outlet by the internal waste gate by separating the turbine and gate flows as best I can.

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Stripped the head off to fine a gunky cylinder. I guess this is just condensation in the cylinder which was open to atmosphere where it has been sat for a few years?

Doesn't appear to be any gasket damage. Although it was a black gasket like the BK450. So assume it was replaced at some point. I guess this wasn't standard rover issue even in the later engines?

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Head work, I was thinking polishing to reduce the likelyhood of pinging

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On 23rd Jun, 2008 paul wiginton said:

They said "That sounds rough mate." I said "Cheers it cost me a fortune to make it sound like that!"


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oh, i was unaware of that. Please could you explain how it helps?

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stripped the block a bit more. found some pitting on the cam. anyone got advice as to whether this is too much wear to use. If so can i get it repaired?

Edited by dan187 on 3rd Jul, 2012.

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Gasket most likely an AF470, used on (I think) all the later models, same black composite as the BK450 just with a built-in rubber seal ring around the oil feed hole to stop oil leaks from that area.

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On 3rd Jul, 2012 dan187 said:
oh, i was unaware of that. Please could you explain how it helps?


polished chambers expose less area to the flame front so more heat stays in the chamber heating air (more efficiency) and every area of the chamber cools in a more uniform fashion being the same distance from the water core and having been more reflective to the heat.

It is all in Vizard's book.

Polished exhaust helps too by not loading the coolig circuit with avoidable heat. It also prevents the carbon build up (nothing to grab on)

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On 23rd Jun, 2008 paul wiginton said:

They said "That sounds rough mate." I said "Cheers it cost me a fortune to make it sound like that!"


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ah ok i see. I would imagine it is a trade off between smoothing the chamber to reduce the chance of pre ignition from hot spots created by the surface asperities vs auto ignition from compressing the hot charge and having a rough surface to remove heat from the charge.

I guess then that the likelihood of hot spots giving some pre-ignition is higher than compression ignition because by the very nature of removing the heat with the asperities means you make them hot.

Edited by dan187 on 5th Jul, 2012.

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Id ditch that cam, the followers are likely to pick up on it

13.95 1/4 mile on a 2.95 fd. Carnt be that hard to beat!


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On 5th Jul, 2012 dan187 said:
ah ok i see. I would imagine it is a trade off between smoothing the chamber to reduce the chance of pre ignition from hot spots created by the surface asperities vs auto ignition from compressing the hot charge and having a rough surface to remove heat from the charge.


I feel the chamber is not a place where heat is likely to be removed from the charge.

We're burning gas to heat air for it to expand and push a piston.

Some of this heat dissipates in the combustion chamber and piston crown.
The least area, the least dissipation, the more heat available to drive the piston down.

As for the hot charge, we want to avoid it as much as possible (hence polished chambers and
exhaust : less heat in the cooling circuit) but in the head I think it is too late.


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They said "That sounds rough mate." I said "Cheers it cost me a fortune to make it sound like that!"


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Started making me some flange today...

Just need to get some stainless pipe off ebay for the manifold.


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Unfortunately progress has been slow due to being in Japan with work.

However, i've taken advantage of the DIYautotune 10% off this week and bought an MS3 extra. So that will give me something to do over Christmas when i get back (and it'll inside in the warmth).
With regards the rest of the build... i've rewired the OEM loom to remove all cables from the engine bay that are unnecessary and have put in blade fuses in the dash. It should be ready for me to wire in all the ECU loom.
Plus a few other bits that have been purchased over the last 4 months awaiting installation...



MS3 Extra



Just a final tidy up required



MPi Block to replace worn one



MPi Radiator



Seats



Audi Intercooler



Bosh Dump Valve

Edited by dan187 on 22nd Nov, 2012.

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MS3X build is slowly coming on spent a couple hours this evening setting it up and soldering. Also gearbox strip has started but waiting on a 1 1/8" socket to arrive in post.

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Looks good, where're you planning to mount the interfooler?

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not yet decided am going to investigate space once i have the engine in place. One option is to have it where the side mount rad would have been and make a duct to channel the air to it. My car has a side mount electric fan that i could link to the IAT and set to come on if it gets hot.

Edited by dan187 on 10th Jan, 2013.

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That's clever, I was just curious about the sort of space for the intercooler you have with a front mount rad, didn't occur to me to put it where the radiator was

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Ditch that blow off valve they are shit, same as on my clio, mines now removed and just using the wastegate. I found on part throtle it was leaking when plumbed closed and open. Tried a replacement also the same problem, have been looking into one of the new bmw petrol turbos for a replacement might be worth whike for you as well.

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On 10th Jan, 2013 Paul R said:
Ditch that blow off valve they are shit, same as on my clio, mines now removed and just using the wastegate. I found on part throtle it was leaking when plumbed closed and open. Tried a replacement also the same problem, have been looking into one of the new bmw petrol turbos for a replacement might be worth whike for you as well.



I know what you mean, I have one on my 998 turbo. The first one i bought was like that. The replacement has been fine though.

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I've had no issues with the bosch valves in any of the cars I've run them......


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I have had three on the clio and all have leaked maybe ita just how the car is setup but its anoying as hell, my mums got the same car as me he bov works fine on mine but having three fail seems a waste. I did have on off of a ford again boosh, which was fine but didnt fit the recurc on the clio as it was smaller.

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With all this cold weather i've been tinkering indoors. So now the MS3X is ready to run. I've had connected to the laptop and been browsing the menus. Given it a basic setup, so it should run (once the engine is built and in the car).

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Finally have bits together for the exhaust manifold so i need to start learning to TIG.

Also have plenum and flange for inlet. Need to get some nice long runner pipes sorted now.





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I would be interested to know where you bought the tube for your exhaust manifold. What is the diameter and w/t? Thanks


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ebay just a general search. it's 1 1/4" diameter. w/t = weight? if so then not sure i'm afraid. pretty light

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