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On 31st Jan, 2011 John said:
Would you be able to run a simulation based on this configuration and compare to the ideal?


I have already done the simulations, hence the comment. Just need to understand the science behind the results so that I can answer the difficult questions.

However, I'm not repeating anything that you would not find in any decent tuning book.

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Thanks Paul :)

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Been looking over the head again tonight & will be taking the grinder to it as soon as I get time. I'll let you know how it turns out. *wink*

Paul do you think the longer ram pipes will be ok inside that plenum ? How close can they be to the front of the plenum without being shrouded/see a restriction ?

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This is going to be fantastic!

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Phil - I had a cossie engine for a previous project, the inlets have the same style you are doing (trumpets inside the plenum) the distance between the trumpets and plenum was about 3-4cm.

If that's any help.

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from what i have read the long pipes will be fine in the plenum, as long as you keep them further from the farside than the diameter of the runner.

get the plenum as far forward as possible, which should be easier in yours as you dont have the std slam pannel, plus you have a bulgy bonnet?

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
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Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



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Thanks chaps. Yes I have the KAD bonnet & no slam panel so I should be able to get is a bit further forward.
Judging by Pauls latest research I should try & make it as long as possible.

Phil.

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yep, as long as possible :)

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



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Horn, fucking horny baby!!! thats sorted my porn for the evening. thats phil top man


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Huummm that's a nice buy,

about trumpet lenght what about making them round bent to the downside biased at 45° toward the left?

alfa gta's had the same troubles with the front right inner wing, they neede a bit more lengt and used curved trumpets.


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On 31st Jan, 2011 Turbo Phil said:
will be taking the grinder to it as soon as I get time.


Hope thats on the outside aswell as inside, looks pants as it is.

Will be keeping an eye out - interesting project

I seriously doubt it!


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On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1

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Joe C that pic is giving me the horn.

I run a supercharger and I don't care the TB is on the wrong side.
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Paul S

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That's just about the right runner length to make a 7 Port work *happy*

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that looks like a well though out bit of kit!!

Yes i moved to the darkside *happy*

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Phil it looks lovely. It would be nice 2 see yours, Joe's and Wolfie's all head to head when its done.
And I like fabs idea of the curved ram tubes, saw some on a 20v Toyota engine the other day.

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Come on then how the hell do the valves work ?


On 9th Feb, 2011 Joe C said:



1/4 Mile 14.3secs 96Mph Terminal 10psi of boost.


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I robbed the pics from here,

http://mk1-forum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1616&start=40

looks like you have to unbolt the manifold to adjust the rockers!

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



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looks the part Phil :)

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I was having a look at the new MED website earlier and I came across this:

http://www.med-engineering.co.uk/news/med-...by-keith-calver

What the dual cone thingy does is fool the manifold into thinking that it has longer inlet trumpets. It's all to do the ratio of area and length and Helmholtz theory. Basically, the runner is effectively split into two smaller runners as far as the wave dynamics is concerned. The natural frequency is increased, thereby causing the pulses that help VE & torque to ocurr at lower revs.

Worth a try?

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Is that something you can simulate with your software to compare with your other simulated setups?

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Paul S

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On 27th Feb, 2011 jbelanger said:
Is that something you can simulate with your software to compare with your other simulated setups?


Unfortunatley not. It would have to be modlled as a Y piece and that would incur junction losses etc.

If you think about it empirically, the Engleman/Helmholtz theory shows that the peak VE revs is proportional to the square root of the ratio of the runner area divided by the runner length. So, assuming each part of the dual cone has an equal area, then the optimum rpm for that part of the manifold is factored by 1/2^0.5, about 0.7.

I have to think some more as to how that affects the port and TB though.

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Paul, Gav Wakely tried out the dual cone back to back on the rollers and it did nothing for his engine at all

I seriously doubt it!


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does the twin cone really apply to forced induction?

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