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fastcarl

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thats what you say, how do we know you'r not just jumping on the " i thought of it first bandwaggon".

just as my grandfarther first thought of the jet engine , but never thought of doing anything about it , until it was too late , that cad James Whittle jumped in and patented the bloody idea,lol,
you know what i'm saying, lol.


On 12th Jan, 2008 Sprocket said:
Old news *tongue*

Not the only person to have thought of it, but maybe one of the first to implement it.

My own Idea was to have a new thrust made up in bronze fixing the bottom half with one small counter sunk allen head screw, the screw itself acting as the oil feed, with a hole drilled all the way through the center of it into the mian bearing oil feed, feeding a small 'v' groove in the thrust face, all the way round. The bottom half designed to overlap the top half (lap joint sort of thing) to transfer to oil to the top half without it getting behind the joint

Maybe a bit more complex than what Carl has done, but would ensure an even film of oil all the way round.

The reason the screws are used is to keep the thrust bearing, tight up against the bearing housing, preventing the oil pressure forcing the bearing out against the crank, where this would be just as bad if there were no oil feed.

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*wink* Carl

On 19th Jan, 2010 wil_h said:
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Woh carl steady!

What makes you think That I thought of it first.

Lets just say that more than one person thought about it, and I know there are others, but you got off your arse and id it.

Just like Jimbos Turbo 16v, he wasnt the first to think about it, but got off his arse and did it.

Proof is in the pudding.

:)

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Yep I agree with TD........


Jason G

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Anyways...mini13 get ya drill 'n' tap m8! We will give it ago while my engine is in bits.

On 19th Jan, 2010 wil_h said:
I would start the furthest place from the finish.


On 24th Mar, 2012 apbellamy said:
I feel all special knowing that I've given your mum my wood.


Been neglecting Turbo'd 'A' series..............


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nice execution of a simple and yet clever idea ,
how many miles has it done carl ?
what oil pressure and what clutch pressure ?
regards robert.

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Ran in the DON all last year Robert, grey clutch spring, oil pressure 60psi cold.


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Nice one guys, did you notice any loss in oil pressure at all? were you using a grey or double grey diaphram?

Edited by Jimster on 13th Jan, 2008.

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I think the welsh one has it right!


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On 13th Jan, 2008 Tom Fenton said:
Ran in the DON all last year Robert, grey clutch spring, oil pressure 60psi cold.


This means that the setup has run approx 4 kilometres *wink*

On 13th Jul, 2012 Ben H said:
Mine gets in the way a bit, but only when it is up. If it is down it does not cause a problem.



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On 13th Jan, 2008 Tom Fenton said:
Ran in the DON all last year Robert, grey clutch spring, oil pressure 60psi cold.

cool thanks for that Tom

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On 13th Jan, 2008 milamber said:
Anyways...mini13 get ya drill 'n' tap m8! We will give it ago while my engine is in bits.


M8 is a bit big isn't it lol!

yep i've got taps and stuff, got some nice stainless M3 coutersunk allen heads at work too.

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



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Was thinking brass perhaps? Just in case they got loose they would not do any harm.

On 19th Jan, 2010 wil_h said:
I would start the furthest place from the finish.


On 24th Mar, 2012 apbellamy said:
I feel all special knowing that I've given your mum my wood.


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On 13th Jan, 2008 Jimster said:
Nice one guys, did you notice any loss in oil pressure at all? were you using a grey or double grey diaphram?


Most oil pumps dump loads of oil at anything over idle....So I doubt a small drilling such as that would pose any real problems.

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On 13th Jan, 2008 stevieturbo said:



On 13th Jan, 2008 Jimster said:
Nice one guys, did you notice any loss in oil pressure at all? were you using a grey or double grey diaphram?


Most oil pumps dump loads of oil at anything over idle....So I doubt a small drilling such as that would pose any real problems.



thasts correct Stevie,Don, also uses undercrown oil jets and still no sign of low oil pressure using the standard spring and plunger,
the locating screws are also brass for the very rteason Jason mentioned, locked in place ,
carl

Edited by fastcarl on 13th Jan, 2008.

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carl, anyway what size hole have you got in there ?






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2 MM, the thrust face is countersunk , so looks bigger obviously.

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tbh if they got loose i don't think it'd matter what they were made of.

but thinking about it probably the best thing would e some nice high grade steel ones with some GOOD thread lock.
With somthing like brass I think if the bearing did ever pick up or anything it could shear the heads off.

I have a block here thats in bits too, i'll have a looky at that during the week, maybe make some kind of jig.

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



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Jason G

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A softer metal, the heads on the screws would just wear away, stainless would harm the thrust surface of the crank.
Thats the theory anyway Joe. :)

On 19th Jan, 2010 wil_h said:
I would start the furthest place from the finish.


On 24th Mar, 2012 apbellamy said:
I feel all special knowing that I've given your mum my wood.


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what a clever solution, i will implement this to my build.

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On 17th Aug, 2011 pim1275cc16v said:
what a clever solution, i will implement this to my build.


don't forget he £30 levy, or i'll soo yow ass off mofo. lol

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Blimey....old post. A few years later....are the same thrusts still in there???????

On 19th Jan, 2010 wil_h said:
I would start the furthest place from the finish.


On 24th Mar, 2012 apbellamy said:
I feel all special knowing that I've given your mum my wood.


Been neglecting Turbo'd 'A' series..............


fastcarl

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yes

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i also am building,is it worth doing ??

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Well...after Carl saying their the same thrusts after 3 years...................

On 19th Jan, 2010 wil_h said:
I would start the furthest place from the finish.


On 24th Mar, 2012 apbellamy said:
I feel all special knowing that I've given your mum my wood.


Been neglecting Turbo'd 'A' series..............


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are andy and johns thrusts the same ?

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We have Carl's oil fed thrust conversion fitted. We think a badly setup double grey is to blame. We're yet to pull the engine and see exactly what the cause and effect is...

On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it

*hehe!*

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