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miniminor63

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I have now talked with one of the main gurus that have helped design the VEMS and he claims it will work with siamese, they have even done it on a car. They used a large injector and fired at an open valve.


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But dident Dars have a megaSquirt on a Kadett wich was siamese??

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miniminor63

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thats correct, and there is a guy that uses it on his mini in Norway too, but it wont work for performance.


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It is a piece of piss to get any injection system to 'work' an a-series.
It is not easy to get a whole system that'll properly fuel the engine at all rpm and boost ranges.

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Its here*happy*

£250, less than a week and its here with I button security, four line LCD back lit display. Granted no case, didnt order it because i have a plan*tongue*

Now comences the soldering. and theres not much at that really.


I know that the Megasquirt guys have their feelings about this, but i did my research, and frankly, the cost won out in the end. Not only that but the onboard knock and wideband O2 makes for a simpler instaltion without expensive and some what rare controlers.

I think the major cost cutter was the fact that this was posted from Europe, through parcel post and I have not yet been hit with any extra postal/tax charges.

We shall see.

Please do not missunderstand, I'm not knocking the MS (as some one has already suggested) The two ECUs are architecturaly similar, one has good resources, the other has added goodies, one is more expensive than the other. You makes your choice and you takes it*wink*

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


Paul S

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How are you going to get it to work properly without access to the code?

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dont know what you mean

MPi is pants until the 'code' is cracked.

SPi or full 8port injection for me buddy *wink*

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


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Keep us updated. I am a MS fan but my mind is not closed to alternatives. I must admit that the "goodies" are interesting.....

Every day is a school day ...........

How fast and how expensive ...... the same question...

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Oh, forgot to add that one thing I DO NOT like abot MS is the lack of automotive grade connectors, and using computer D plugs. I alwasy was going to do that differently when looking at the MS.

That was just another tick in the right box.

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


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Looks good, keep us informed.

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According to this http://www.msefi.com/viewtopic.php?t=24765 there will be a Megasquirt solution that will have about the same hardware features as VEMS but with more potential on the software side. That will be interesting but I'm not holding my breath since Megasquirt have had a history of dragging on with the release of announced products.

In any case, I still think that MS2 will be the most cost effective solution for port injecting an A-series engine for a while.

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Hi,
Jean that makes for very interesting reading, lets keep our fingers crossed *wink*
Cheers,
Gavin :)

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it´s been a while, how do you like vems?

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The hardware is great, and its nice to have a built in wideband conrtroller too.


I think the software could be easier to use, but I probably struggle because im useless with computers! *oh well* There is always improvements being made to the tuning software, the latest of which makes it looks alot more user friendly.

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cheers matty, i can sort of have one of those for free, but will make sure it´s a good system before having a go with it

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For 7 / 8 port I expect it is fine.

Anyone running it on 5 port ???

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If you can have one for free its a no brainer!

Have a scan of the VEMS forum you'll find all of the software available on there to have a play with.


On 5th Apr, 2012 G13B said:
cheers matty, i can sort of have one of those for free, but will make sure it´s a good system before having a go with it

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my friend that have the vems unit is in touch with another friend of him, he is a vems installer and could set me up with a new engine loom, sensors and maybe a rough starting map or so

this is for my supercharged midget projekt my aim is a superfast porsche killer he he

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Vemstune is awesome. No longer with the Megatune rubish.

When you do get the Vems box, Upgrade right away to the latest firmware and Vemstune, before you start tuning for your engine. You won't have the head ache of upgrading from a tuned engine, like Matty and myself. I need to retune for the turbo anyway, and have been learning all the new features and different methods of how it was done with Megatune.

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


matty

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Colin do you know if vemstune works with windows 7?

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On 8th Apr, 2012 matty said:
Colin do you know if vemstune works with windows 7?


I dont think anyone has had any problems, its certainly not been a common topic on the forum, infact it's only ever come up once. Most problems arose from the Prolific USB converters and their drivers, but even now that seems to be less and less common.

Be warned though matty, you will apparently have to retune if upgrading from the firmware level you are on.

Edited by Sprocket on 8th Apr, 2012.

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


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great having you two running it, what are you running sensor wise?

cheers

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On 8th Apr, 2012 Sprocket said:
Vemstune is awesome. No longer with the Megatune rubish.

When you do get the Vems box, Upgrade right away to the latest firmware and Vemstune, before you start tuning for your engine. You won't have the head ache of upgrading from a tuned engine, like Matty and myself. I need to retune for the turbo anyway, and have been learning all the new features and different methods of how it was done with Megatune.


Colin,

In fairness, those of us using MS haven't used Megatune for over two years - it isn't capable of handling all the recent features from the MS firmware so we use TunerStudio or MegaTunix.

I don't want to re-ignite any debate about VEMS vs MS, I suspect they have both come a long way in the last two years, but Megatune probably is "rubish" with VEMS as you put it, as it is "rubish" with MS as well but that's two years history.....

Rod.

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On 8th Apr, 2012 Rod S said:
On 8th Apr, 2012 Sprocket said:
Vemstune is awesome. No longer with the Megatune rubish.

When you do get the Vems box, Upgrade right away to the latest firmware and Vemstune, before you start tuning for your engine. You won't have the head ache of upgrading from a tuned engine, like Matty and myself. I need to retune for the turbo anyway, and have been learning all the new features and different methods of how it was done with Megatune.


Colin,

In fairness, those of us using MS haven't used Megatune for over two years - it isn't capable of handling all the recent features from the MS firmware so we use TunerStudio or MegaTunix.

I don't want to re-ignite any debate about VEMS vs MS, I suspect they have both come a long way in the last two years, but Megatune probably is "rubish" with VEMS as you put it, as it is "rubish" with MS as well but that's two years history.....

Rod.


Precisely. Development for Megatune was dropped so very long ago, as I'm sure you can tell by the forced 800 x 600 screen resolution of the software so that old school laptops could use it.

Since MS3 and MS3X has come to the market, I think it really is the tuning solution for the masses, offering true flexibility and a strong community to back it. I mention MS3 only as the earlier revisions of Megasquirt left a little to be desired, with you often having to home brew a solution to a few issues that crop up, especially with Siamese injection. However, a lot of people prefer the ability to modify the circuits, but it's nicer to make the choice for yourself whether you wish to make those modifications or not, rather than having your hand forced.

In comparison to VEMS, which I did research briefly a couple of years ago so I am by no means an expert on it, quite the opposite in fact, it seemed quite 'closed door' with regards to how diverse you could make your final solution for your car, including a VEMS unit.


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On 8th Apr, 2012 Sprocket said:


On 8th Apr, 2012 matty said:
Colin do you know if vemstune works with windows 7?


I dont think anyone has had any problems, its certainly not been a common topic on the forum, infact it's only ever come up once. Most problems arose from the Prolific USB converters and their drivers, but even now that seems to be less and less common.

Be warned though matty, you will apparently have to retune if upgrading from the firmware level you are on.


Ah thats good then. I am having trouble getting my USB adaptor working, but to be honest I didn't try for too long.

I need to retune completely anyway, as ive now got my high level boost sensor, so the scaling all needs to be changed to suit.

Im running Rover IAT and water temp sensors, Ford TPS. The boost sensor in the VEMS one.

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