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 (2)[/url] by [url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/150672766@N03/]Rod Sugden[/url], on Fli) 5988 Posts Member #: 2024 Formally Retired Rural Suffolk |
12th Apr, 2009 at 10:20:51am
On 12th Apr, 2009 Paul S said:
It also looks like the IACV has a different mounting flange to the Peugeot valve. You're right... looking at those other photos again they are two bolt flanges - mine's a thread (and it was VERY tight, I thought I was going to wreck it getting it out, the thread is covered with my favourite loctite!) On 12th Apr, 2009 Paul S said:
Can you not just spin the TB through 30 odd degrees to clear the bonnet. Good idea, I'd only considered 180 and 90. 180 puts the ICV at the bottom so it would gunge up from crankase oil mist in no time and 90 puts the spindle with the TPS at the bottom and as I'm guessing the TB belongs on a N/A engine I doubt if there are pressure seals around the spindle and I didn't want the gunge getting into the TPS. 45 degrees looks like it will gain me 20-25mm height. TBH, for the N/A tests, having it pointing downwards isn't a problem - it's later hooking it up to an intercooler (which will be higher) that concerns me as the TB will then be the lowest part of the run - not ideal. Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ??? |
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 8604 Posts Member #: 573 Formerly Axel Podland |
12th Apr, 2009 at 10:35:00am
You could also put it further along towards the front of the car.
Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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5988 Posts Member #: 2024 Formally Retired Rural Suffolk |
15th Apr, 2009 at 08:11:36pm
This is the modified "plenum" from behind
Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ??? |
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5988 Posts Member #: 2024 Formally Retired Rural Suffolk |
18th Apr, 2009 at 02:47:25pm
Progress is slow but getting there...
Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ??? |
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 12307 Posts Member #: 565 Carlos Fandango Burnham-on-Crouch, Essex |
18th Apr, 2009 at 04:10:43pm
looking good! On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged... Joe, do you have a photo of your tool? http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1 https://joe1977.imgbb.com/ |
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5988 Posts Member #: 2024 Formally Retired Rural Suffolk |
18th May, 2009 at 01:24:34pm
Well it has been painfully slow but Paul's latest progress has spurred me on a bit....
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8604 Posts Member #: 573 Formerly Axel Podland |
18th May, 2009 at 05:11:36pm
Looking good.
Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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5988 Posts Member #: 2024 Formally Retired Rural Suffolk |
18th May, 2009 at 05:49:49pm
On 18th May, 2009 Paul S said:
What's the extra wire coming out the MS? Coilpack connector - for all the reasons I hate the Dsub37, there was no way I was going to route the second high current driver through that connector - the first one is bad enough (i've kept that as a spare in case I resort to a single coil) but what they recommend to do for the second driver just isn't good enough (my opinion obviously). So I have two completely new driver chips (not VB921s) on a seperate heat sink and wired out the way you see. The new chips have to be wired slightly differently anyway so the external wiring is routed through my relay/fuse bank. On 18th May, 2009 Paul S said:
I can see why you are going to split the loom at the bulkhead, but is it worth all the extra work? TBH the extra work (at this stage of soldering) isn't much - Later it's just cut the long wires and solder in the connectors at the cut. On 18th May, 2009 Paul S said:
How often are you planning on removing the loom? Never, but I expect to have the engine in and out a few times. As I said (much) earlier in the build thread, I've modelled a lot of what I'm doing on my Cossie - it's very simple, basic, but works well - it has three (Ford equivilant) connectors between the whole engine assembly and the bulkhead - just unplug three connectors and the engine assembly comes out with ALL it's ECU (and everything else) wiring intact. Apart from the VR wires, that is what I'm replicating - three plugs on the bulkhead (and VR down below) and engine is out with all the sensors, injectors, IACV etc, 20 wires in total - undisturbed. It's undoubtedly overkill, but that's the way I work.... :) Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ??? |
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1267 Posts Member #: 831 Post Whore Montreal, Canada |
18th May, 2009 at 06:14:50pm
I thought the extra connector was for the injectors. How did you wire the extra injector drivers?
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5988 Posts Member #: 2024 Formally Retired Rural Suffolk |
18th May, 2009 at 06:18:21pm
On 18th May, 2009 jbelanger said:
I thought the extra connector was for the injectors. How did you wire the extra injector drivers? Jean If you look very carefully at the third photo there is another grommet - as yet unused - next to the coilpack wiring. That will be where the staged injector wiring comes out. I was really tight fit getting two extra holes/grommets in that endplate :) Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ??? |
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5988 Posts Member #: 2024 Formally Retired Rural Suffolk |
18th May, 2009 at 06:38:40pm
Extra wiring grommet...
Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ??? |
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 3692 Posts Member #: 1833 Formally mini_majic Auckland, New Zealand |
18th May, 2009 at 06:45:38pm
That makes me feel sick!
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1267 Posts Member #: 831 Post Whore Montreal, Canada |
18th May, 2009 at 06:48:19pm
Nice.
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5988 Posts Member #: 2024 Formally Retired Rural Suffolk |
18th May, 2009 at 07:01:10pm
On 18th May, 2009 jbelanger said:
Nice. Are you using it only for the 2 additional drivers or the 4 from the p&h board? Are you connecting the grounds from the p&h board to the MS board ground or through an additional wire(s) through the grommet? Jean I haven't entirely decided yet but I will probably route all four injectors out on new wires through the second grommet including the ground from your P&H board (and ignore the original two injector wires from the Dsub37) This is what I chose to do with the coilpack, it's ground is external and the coilpack feed is fused through the relay/fuse pack because the newer chips (I've forgotten their code to quote but they are not 921s) are not current limited. So there are no high current wires inside the MS that go through the Dsub37 for ignition. Although the injectors are less of an issue, I want to adopt the same principle. Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ??? |
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1267 Posts Member #: 831 Post Whore Montreal, Canada |
18th May, 2009 at 07:05:13pm
I think that's the best way of doing it. Remove any potential issue with noise coming from the high current switching on and off.
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5988 Posts Member #: 2024 Formally Retired Rural Suffolk |
18th May, 2009 at 07:08:00pm
On 18th May, 2009 James_H said:
That makes me feel sick! Rather you than me! looks good though. What sort of time scale are you expecting to be operational in? Wiring gets easier as you get older..... 
Engine running on the garage floor with full Fuel Injection on Jean's code - a week or so. In a welded up car..... Hmmmm 
Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ??? |
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5988 Posts Member #: 2024 Formally Retired Rural Suffolk |
18th May, 2009 at 07:11:32pm
On 18th May, 2009 jbelanger said:
I think that's the best way of doing it. Remove any potential issue with noise coming from the high current switching on and off. Jean Jean, That is certainly my logic in all of this - I've even added "flyback" doides to my relay pack (you may just be able to see them in the second photo) - but sometimes I get paranoid..... Rod. Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ??? |
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4304 Posts Member #: 1321 Post Whore Wiltshire |
18th May, 2009 at 09:51:49pm
Looking good Rod. Sorry for a thread hijack but does anyone know a decent book on understanding fuel injection. I have no idea what you, and all the other injection people are going on about most of the time, and would quite like to learn about it. On 7th Oct, 2010 5haneJ said:
yeah I gave it all a good prodding |
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5988 Posts Member #: 2024 Formally Retired Rural Suffolk |
18th May, 2009 at 10:37:51pm
On 18th May, 2009 minimole23 said:
.... Sorry for a thread hijack but does anyone know a decent book on understanding fuel injection. I have no idea what you, and all the other injection people are going on about most of the time, and would quite like to learn about it. No problem with the question, but I don't have an answer..... Maybe Paul or Jean might suggest a suitable book - I'm "self taught" from a long background in engineering and electronics as a hobby. TBH though, I have learnt more about the specifics of "self programmable" EFI from this forum (and the Megasquirt main site and MS-Extra forums) than I would have ever learnt by reading books - but that is just the way I work. The main Megasquirt site has a fairly detailed, but easy to follow, explanation of how it all works, and the principles apply to all similar systems, VEMS, Emerald, DTA etc.... Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ??? |
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5988 Posts Member #: 2024 Formally Retired Rural Suffolk |
20th May, 2009 at 09:26:52pm
Just a bit more Fuel Injection (Siamese Code) porn....
Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ??? |
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 2500 Posts Member #: 648 Post Whore Northern Ireland (ex AUS) |
20th May, 2009 at 09:32:10pm
Can I ask Rod, that a serial/USB adapter in this pic? Have you tried it yet? I got one the same from ebay and apparently it doesn't need a driver (it didn't have a CD with it anyway) but mine won't work On 18th May, 2009 Rod S said:
:) On 7th Nov, 2008 Nic said:
naeJ m !!!!!!sdrawkcab si gnihtyreve ?droabyekym ot deneppah sah tahw ayhwdd |
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5988 Posts Member #: 2024 Formally Retired Rural Suffolk |
20th May, 2009 at 10:27:22pm
On 20th May, 2009 Jay#2 said:
Can I ask Rod, that a serial/USB adapter in this pic? Have you tried it yet? I got one the same from ebay and apparently it doesn't need a driver (it didn't have a CD with it anyway) but mine won't work . Yes Jay, it is.... I have four of them in total - well I have a lot ofstuff to connect to, MS, 2 TechEdge Wideband/loggers and an Innovate WB... All four off eBay. One is a bit troublesome on my laptop, all work on the desktop. They DO need drivers, should come on a CD with the "cable" but a search on the web might find the right ones - there are only a few chipsets used in the convertors so not too many drivers to try. Edited by Rod S on 20th May, 2009. Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ??? |
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559 Posts Member #: 2775 Post Whore Aberdeen |
20th May, 2009 at 11:01:59pm
On 18th May, 2009 minimole23 said:
Looking good Rod. Sorry for a thread hijack but does anyone know a decent book on understanding fuel injection. I have no idea what you, and all the other injection people are going on about most of the time, and would quite like to learn about it. |
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2500 Posts Member #: 648 Post Whore Northern Ireland (ex AUS) |
20th May, 2009 at 11:11:08pm
Thanks for the info Rod, I will hoke around for the driver. The thing is I have another one that works great but I've lost it! On 7th Nov, 2008 Nic said:
naeJ m !!!!!!sdrawkcab si gnihtyreve ?droabyekym ot deneppah sah tahw ayhwdd |
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5988 Posts Member #: 2024 Formally Retired Rural Suffolk |
21st May, 2009 at 07:54:18am
On 20th May, 2009 lockfast said:
There are a couple of books! I am in the same boat as you! I have the names of them at home I will pop them up eiter later on tonight or tommorow. I am working my way through them. Rod sorry for putting this in in your thread but I am sure there are a few people reading it that are thinking exactly the same! I can post the book names up on a different thread if you prefer? Not at all - post them here. If it get's more people interested, all the better :) (EDIT - typo) Edited by Rod S on 21st May, 2009. Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ??? |
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