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clubman91

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Its been a few year but i have another mini woohooo, Just need to get it running now don't seam to have any power to the fuel tank or coil. Its a 92 SPI any advice would be great. Few pictures not best quality.








Cheers,

Mark.


clubman91

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Ok thought I would say what I have done,
Put a fully charged battery on refitted starter motor and it will turn over but fuel pump dose not run and no power at coil.
I have put a live to the fuel pump and the pump runs ok.
There is vac pipes and breather pipes off everywhere and am missing the air intake sensor, Anybody with pictures of and spi engine of where pipes go around manifold and ecu ect it would be great to see them as its a bit of a guessing game at the moment also bits of pipe missing.

As far as I can see it dose not have an alarm or immobiliser (I can not see a green plug for alarm diagnostic connector anywhere) So gather there is not one on it...I only have one key no fob or anything like that.

Any advice would be great.

Cheers,
Mark.


Rob Gavin

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Do these not have a fuel cut off/inertia switch under the bonnet that would give this issue?


SadamPl

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Good point with the fuel cut off switch, but since there is no power at coil I'd suspect an issue with main relay box or maybe ignition barrel.

Made in Poland build thread:
http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...tid=570363&fr=0


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My 95 had an immobiliser, but I never found an alarm diagnostics plug on mine. The 5AS unit is on the passenger side bulkhead behind the dashboard (if fitted).

Any electrical problems with anything else, lights, radio, fan, horn etc? Have you checked all the fuses?

There's a fuel cut off / inertia switch under the bonnet (to the side of the wiper motor). Push the rubber cover down to reset, and check the condition of the terminals and wiring, especially behind the manifold where the wires can get sometimes get pinched between the bulkhead and the manifold.

Check for any wiring that runs to the back of the car under the passenger side carpet. If the car isn't water tight, there could be corroded wiring under there.


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Im pretty sure itll have the crappy rover immobiliser, sounds bout right too

On 24th Oct, 2015 jonny f said:
Nothing gets past Dave lol

NOTHING GETS PAST ME!! *tongue*

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apbellamy

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Check the barrel fuses on the bulkhead. Me and John bought a cheap non runner. Fuse casing had burnt out. Cheap fix and a decent profit.

On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it

*hehe!*


clubman91

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Ok thanks for the reply's everyone.

I have check the fuel cut off / inertia switch under the bonnet.

PhilR, I have just checked the passenger side bulkhead behind the dash best I can in the dark with a torch and cant seen anything, Will check the wiring under the carpets tomorrow

Andy I did have a look at the fuse box looked ok (ish) I will double check it tomorrow.

I bought the car off a lad who had not past his text and he had had it a few year and has been tinkering with it a lot of bits lose or missing think he has been tinkering with it so just trying to go thought it get it back to how it should.
But cant seen anything obvious missing to stop the being power at coil and fuel pump.

I have been googling and found a lot of useful posts about SPI's on TMF by (sprocket) Guessing its the same Sprocket that's on here.

Thanks for the Advice.

Mark. *smiley*


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The fuses Andy is on about is separate to the main 4 block fuse box. If you run your hand along the bulkhead under the scuttle area there should be about 4 inline fuses.


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Those are the ones I mean. I would hazzard a guess at either white with a black trace or purple with a black trace wires.

On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it

*hehe!*


clubman91

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Ok the ones I looked at earlier was 4 inline glass fuses just under the scuttle on the bulkhead on drivers side.
So your saying there should be more tucked up?

Mark


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No they are the ones. Check the fuse holders, wires and terminals. They rot...

On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it

*hehe!*


clubman91

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Ok that will be the job for tomorrow along with checking wiring under the carpets inside.

Mark.


clubman91

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Had a 20 min look at the mini before it went dark, had a look at fuse box cleaned a few terminals up I am going to replace this next week when I get back home but is not shot just yet anyway noticed there is a wire on one of the terminals which looks more cut than snapped, But cant find where the piece it should be attached to.

It is also purple with a black trace like Andy mentioned above.



I also found a plug but not sure if its the alarm diagnostic connector as it is not green.




Any advice would be great.

Thanks,

Mark.


apbellamy

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I would expect the fuel pump to be purple/black after the relay not at the fuse box. Time for a look at a wiring diagram in the book of lies.

On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it

*hehe!*


SadamPl

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Socket is to connect to ECU. I'm afraid that wiring diagram may not be helpful here, judging by the colours somobody tempered with the electrics. The pink/black wire is not pluged in on this side of the fuse box. Not if the elcetrics are in original shape at least.

Made in Poland build thread:
http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...tid=570363&fr=0


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Ok thanks or the reply's
I have started looking at the Haynes wiring diagram *Confused* I am going to check the fusible links next week when I'm home again.

Mark.


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Your car should be fitted with an 3AS imobiliser but looks like this has been removed and bypassed ,it only prevents the engine from being cranked. The fuel pump and coil are feed from the relay modual on top of the servo which is controled by the ECU. All the vacumn pipes and elbows must be 100% for a SPi to run right.


clubman91

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Hi,
Thanks for the reply, I have not even got to all the vacum pipes ect yet they are off in places bits missing ect thats the next job...any pictures to where they all go ect would be helpful i have found a few pictures that will help

All i want to do first is get power to coil and get fuel pump to work. I am away at work now but have brought the manual so i can try get my head around the wiring.
Then i will have another look when im home next week.

Cheers,

Mark.

Edit,
I am guessing the vac pipes that are off ect would not some how stop the ecu supplying power to fuel pump or coil. (If its a stuipd question i apoligise)

Mark.

Edited by clubman91 on 14th Jan, 2015.


PhilR

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On 14th Jan, 2015 viz139 said:
The fuel pump and coil are feed from the relay modual on top of the servo which is controled by the ECU.


I've previously had to open mine up and repair some nasty corrosion in there. You'd imagine they're water tight as they're held together with a rubber-like sealant, but moisture can get in past the connector pins and stay trapped in there.

Here's useful circuit diagrams courtesy of TMF:

http://www.theminiforum.co.uk/forums/index...attach_id=68240

See pages 20.3 and 20.4 for the relay unit and associated connections. When the ECU senses 12V from the ignition barrel, it switches on the 'Main relay' (grounds pin pin C154-3) which then puts 12V onto one of the ignition coil terminals (through pin C157-8), and also switches the 'Fuel Pump Relay' on (grounds relay pin C154-1) for a couple of seconds to prime the fuel system.

If you listen under the bonnet, you should hear these relay clicks when the ignition is turned to position 2. Hopefully the pdf should help you make sense of the relay module if you need probe the connectors.

EDIT: fixed link.

Edited by PhilR on 22nd Jan, 2015.


clubman91

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Can anyone tell me the length of the glass fuses that are in the fuse box under the scuttle so i can order some.
Im away at the min so cant messaure them.

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They are just the glass type, the same ones that are in the fuse box. If you go down halfrauds you can buy a big multi box of them.


clubman91

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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/50-x-MIXED-AMP-G...=item2a44299441

Will the length of these be ok?


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Had another quick look today found a couple of things.

First thing pin has been hot and burnt. (Its one of the plug onto the relay box on top of the servo)


Second thing,


Opened up the relay box to check it, found a piece of card in-between the contacts of one of the relays.

Couldn't do much else as battery was flat so will have to pick my charger up tomorrow.

Cheers,

Mark.


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Bit of cards a bit random? Hopefully easy fixes = starting 👍

Edited by D4VE on 22nd Jan, 2015.

On 24th Oct, 2015 jonny f said:
Nothing gets past Dave lol

NOTHING GETS PAST ME!! *tongue*

1/4 mile 14.7 @ 96mph 12psi boost
Showdown class A 2nd place 18.6 @ 69mph

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