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johnflamered

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hi all after some tips/revews and pro/con's on some ecu's

1) vems

2) megasquirt

3) emerald

4) SC Typhoon http://www.specialist-components.co.uk/cnb...odCategoryID=35

5) ultimate mini squirt http://www.mini-cooper-clubman.de/html/pro..._classic_m.html

I'm no expert, but as long as I've got my angle grinder and big hammer, I'm sure I'll manage to work it out.


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This question is much too vague. You need to put it in context because the answer will be different if you're talking about throttle body injection, port injection, 5-port head, 7/8 port head, 16-valve head.

You need to do your homework, use the search button and be prepared to do a lot of reading. And from your posts, you don't seem to want to do this. I'm sorry but there is no easy answer and even if you do get some answers here in this post, you'll still have to do your homework. Or pay someone to do it for you.

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johnflamered

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the reson it is a open ended question is i dont know what way to go with the engine yet

I'm no expert, but as long as I've got my angle grinder and big hammer, I'm sure I'll manage to work it out.


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Well only 1 of those options work with all of the above.


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And is probably the cheapest.

If something is worth doing, it's worth doing half of.


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Its an interesting way to build an engine. Decide what ecu youll run before you even decide what car/use/power/driveability its going to get.

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What you need is:

A. The most expensive.

B. The one that earns the greatest kudos in the pub.

C. The one that means you have to travel miles to find a rolling road willing to set it up.

D. The one with the largest table size.

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So you need a motec?


On 23rd Mar, 2010 Paul S said:
What you need is:

A. The most expensive.

B. The one that earns the greatest kudos in the pub.

C. The one that means you have to travel miles to find a rolling road willing to set it up.

D. The one with the largest table size.

*happy* *happy* *happy* *happy* *happy* *happy*

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On 23rd Mar, 2010 johnflamered said:
the reson it is a open ended question is i dont know what way to go with the engine yet


This seems like back to front logic to me. I think if I were deciding on an engine I would think about the head, cam, crank, etc first and then choose the fueling to suit. There is no point in choosing the fueling side first and then finding an engine to suit.

This is stated a lot: Choose what you want the engine for, road, race, track, etc. Then the a rough power requirement, this will narrow you engine choice the higher power you go. For example if you want 150 bananas then you are looking at forced induction or 16v. Make your choice and then you can think about fueling as part of the hwole project.

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As Ben has said make a spec list and work down it in priority, adjust and alter spec list when needed depending on route taken

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Rod S

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In addition to all of the above (with which I agree entirely) it depends on how much you intend to do yourself or whether you intend to just throw money at other people.

Having seen the wifey's friend's hubby's Lotus with all the right names - Jenvey throttle bodies and DTA ECU - which wasn't running right at all, and having looked at his physical installation, looked at the mapping, got him to ask the installers why they had missed a key component off and got back the answer I expected, I concluded that throwing money at "names" and "experts" is the way forwards.......

You can then say down the pub just how many times it has been on how many different rolling roads to end up worse than the standard model :)

Seriously though, you need to decide what you actually want and how much effort you are going to put in to make it work.

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As far as im aware John is after an ecu which he can use now on his a-series 5 port but will also be usable if he decides to do an engine conversion in the future, be it K series or vaux.

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In that case, he should stick with a carb and megajolt, then he can get something specific to his chosen conversion when he gets that far. The money and time he saves can be plowed into researching and making an educated decision about his engine choice.

On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it

*hehe!*


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On 23rd Mar, 2010 apbellamy said:
In that case, he should stick with a carb and megajolt, then he can get something specific to his chosen conversion when he gets that far. The money and time he saves can be plowed into researching and making an educated decision about his engine choice.


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johnflamered

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Right all the ecu is for running my spi engine with 286 cam 1.5 rocker etc then it will be running (a) rover k series witch I have spent the last year researching and under stand 100% and have mod k series as my every day drive mg zs or (b) a forced induction set up I have had a turbo mini but it was carbed now looking in to the injection side of it. End uses is for track days and road fun

I'm no expert, but as long as I've got my angle grinder and big hammer, I'm sure I'll manage to work it out.


johnflamered

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Ow and I will be doing all the work on it myself as all ways with a bit of help from my club Manchester minis and the net

I'm no expert, but as long as I've got my angle grinder and big hammer, I'm sure I'll manage to work it out.


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On 23rd Mar, 2010 johnflamered said:
Right all the ecu is for running my spi engine with 286 cam 1.5 rocker etc

then it will be running

(a) rover k series witch I have spent the last year researching and under stand 100% and have mod k series as my every day drive mg zs or

(b) a forced induction set up I have had a turbo mini but it was carbed now looking in to the injection side of it.

End uses is for track days and road fun


Unfortunately your current engine (single point injection) and then "a" (8 port) and "b" (5 port) are all VERY different in their requirements for fuel injection.

So there is no ideal answer IMO.

EDIT - to make more sense

Edited by Rod S on 23rd Mar, 2010.

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???


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To be honest you have not really answered the points raised above. Any ECU in your list will run a K series engine, as the K series has one inlet port per cylinder.
The problem with injecting an A series with the 5 port head is the siamesed ports making effective injection very difficult. If you have read some of the info on this forum you may already know this.
SO
If you plan to run a turbocharged A series with a 5 port head, then the choice is pretty much made for you, as only one ECU will currently do the job.

If you plan to run a turbocharged A series with an 8 port head, such as the BMW bike head conversion, the same comment applies as for the K series, so any of the above will do the job.

*(comments above do not relate to your option 4 or 5 as I've no experience of either)


On 29th Nov, 2016 madmk1 said:


On 28th Nov, 2016 Rob Gavin said:
I refuse to pay for anything else


Like fuel 😂😂


johnflamered

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Sorry for the poor question to start but now we are cooking lol and my (b) would be a supercharger set up as would save the most parts of my current set up so on that set up or a k series all of them will work I think lol (not shore on 4 and 5 has any one tried them) witch brings me to what I was after at the start ease of fit eg loom and the ease of using the software to map and the best place/prixe to get them from

I'm no expert, but as long as I've got my angle grinder and big hammer, I'm sure I'll manage to work it out.


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On 23rd Mar, 2010 johnflamered said:
my (b) would be a supercharger set up as would save the most parts of my current set up so on that set up or a k series all of them will work


Is it me or is anyone else getting a bit annoyed with this gentleman????

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johnflamered

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Sorry not mean to be

I'm no expert, but as long as I've got my angle grinder and big hammer, I'm sure I'll manage to work it out.


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On 23rd Mar, 2010 johnflamered said:
and my (b) would be a supercharger set up as would save the most parts of my current set up so on that set up or a k series all of them will work I think


NO......

Not if you want to do it right.

If you supercharge (or turbocharge) a 5 port engine, the best that "all of them" will do is give you an electronic SU.

As I tried to explain in your other thread, that may give you something easier to adjust but it will most likely give a worse fuel distribution per cylinder than an actual SU.

There is only one with code written to specifically address the 5 port distribution and that has to be physically built as a port injection system, not anything else you have suggested.

Plenty of people make the "wet manifold" system work (which any ECU can deliver) and it does have the advantage of being easier to map than filing a needle but it is not the correct way to inject the 5 port.

Just look at Leyland/Rover...... they had to abandon SPI in favour of MPI just to meet emissions regulations.

All of the above give mappable SPI, only one gives mappable MPI.

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???


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looks like the answer is the megasquirt with all the bits in it to do all the modes .

Medusa + injection = too much torque for the dyno ..https://youtu.be/qg5o0_tJxYM


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Have a read of this.


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Thats a really good read, thanks Paul.

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